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Beginners Corner > Help with buying my 2nd Heli. A T-Rex 500.
 
 
emag remrofni
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Location: Los Angeles California

Yes unfortunately I've been lookin at the nitro classifieds too much, almost makes me want to get a craptor

Still love the e though

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06-03-2008 05:26 AM
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axemanclint
Senior Heliman
Location: Cypress, Tx. USA

you gotta love the "E" If you are not flying any crazy all out 3d you can run your headspeed around 1800-1850 and just fly sport style and get about 7 minute flights with an Eheli. I fly my Trex600E with Thunder power 6S 5000mAh bats and get 7 mins. not too bad, i was flying a Titan before and getting 13-14 mins so not too much difference and i love my 600E much much more!!!

Hey Maniatwo, i think you will really enjoy the T500E it seems like a really great little bird and will be something you can really grow into, i am looking at picking up one myself when the mrs. gets over all the money i spent getting the 600E going!!!

"what goes up must come down," hopefully in one piece!
06-04-2008 10:15 PM
 
 
Wingman77
Key Veteran
Location: Pulaski TN US

I hate my 600e It has no power and realy crappy flight times
06-04-2008 10:21 PM
 
 
axemanclint
Senior Heliman
Location: Cypress, Tx. USA

sounds like its time for some new batteries and making sure you are not running them down too far....

"what goes up must come down," hopefully in one piece!
06-04-2008 10:26 PM
 
 
Wingman77
Key Veteran
Location: Pulaski TN US

I am not running them down to far and they are brand new I have been told that the way I like to fly I will have to go 10s but what the heck I crashed the thing 5 min I after I posted up there and now I am totaly bummed I diddint realy hate it I just was upset about not having the power I wanted^^
06-05-2008 02:57 AM
 
 
maniatwo
Heliman
Location: hagerstown, MD USA

Hey axemanclint or anyone else who like to offer a word of advice...

Thanks for the info. How much of a difference is there between the T-Rex 500 and the 600? Is one better then the other? Or just a step up in size and price?

I Figured about spending $1200 to set one up. Just guessing, that is. I really have no clue. That was just from what I read and what hobby shop said I would come in at for a nice set up on the 500.

However, I like the jump in size of the 600. But have no clue if I should take one step at a time or just go for the 600. Then the last post got me thinking about flight time. Seven minutes is all you get? I thought the guy at the hobby shop said something about a new type of battery, but the cost was a lottttttt more. It's been awhile, so don't quote me on that one. Would the 500 have a longer flight time then the 600 or pretty much the same.

Again, keep in mind, no 3d flying. Just a beginner so nothing fancy.

Thanks again
Ty...
06-06-2008 02:39 AM
 
 
centuryman
Veteran
Location: deerriver,mn usa

I just ordered a trex 500 myself.
I already have a fleet of nitro and 600e heli's, and a couple crappy mx 450's witch my grandma could fly cause there so stable.

The batteries and the chargers are the main difference in cost of 500 to 600 heli's.the trex 500 takes a$150.00 battery and should do very nicely on that i hear. where as my 600e helis start at $300.00 and you could spend over $500.00 an a high voltage battery.

Personaly i started on nitros and made the migration to eletrics about a year ago because of the ease of use and almost zero maintence .I find i get about three times as much flying in now because i never have to fix anything.

Plust i like the tweekability of the eletrics. there's always a bigger motor or more volatage to improve your heli,I have 2 12s setups, one is a swift 620 and i.m just starting on my second trex 600e that will be 12s.

As a rule i've found you can't have to much voltage, every thing is better, run times, heat,performance,ect.

as far as the cost of batt's, if you calculate it out, e helis are about half the price to fly compared to buying $140.00 case of fuel every 2 weeks or more.

I still have a fleet of nitro helis, there's something about the smoke,smell and noise.I fly theme when i'm feeling like takeing it easy,because compared to my e heli's they are guttless.But the flight time is nice.
06-06-2008 02:57 AM
 
 
maniatwo
Heliman
Location: hagerstown, MD USA

Thanks for the reply. Is the 600 also new as the 500 is? Or has the 600 been out for a while?

Up to $500.00 for a battery?????? And I thought spending $30.00 for my blade CX 2 was high..lolol... Will this more expensive battery give you a longer flight time? Also, about how long do they last and most importantly, how do you take care of them? Someone posted about someone flying them to long,

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"sounds like its time for some new batteries and making sure you are not running them down too far...."

So how do you know when is to long? If I spend that much for a battery I want to make sure I take care of it.

You have two 600e? Ok, stupid question, why two of the same one?

Many thanks for your help

Have a good one
Ty
06-06-2008 04:22 PM
 
 
JRjoe
Elite Veteran
Location: Portage, IN

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why two of the same one?

For sure a back up when you stuff the other one!!!!




JRjoe
06-06-2008 04:49 PM
 
 
axemanclint
Senior Heliman
Location: Cypress, Tx. USA

Well maniatwo,
it sounds to me like you have the right info figured out. the price of $1200.00 sounds about right, but that is of course considering what you are putting in it, (servos, gyro, motor, esc, batt, etc...)

Like centuryman said, the only major difference with price between the 500 and the 600 are the battery and chargers for the batteries. i am currently running Thunder power 6S 5000mAh 22.2V lipos with my 600E which come in right around $300.00 to start, but if you are going for something with more power or longer flight times then you are going to spend even more money.

I know what you mean about the flight times being low, i was flying Nitro heli's before i was flying E's, so when i made the switch i was shocked by the short flight times, but you quickly get used to it when you realize you can still do alot of stuff in that 7 minutes.

now as for the question of difference in character of flying between the 500 and 600 are huge, even though the 500 is supposed to have alot more stability both in flying and wind than the 450 does, it still does not have the amount of stability and tame flying characteristics like the 600 does. any 50 size and up will be more stable both in wind and in being able to hold a steday hover especially for a newbie like yourself. i would highly recommend starting out on a 600 if you are serious about this hobby and are going to stick with it, you will be able to fly better quicker and the heli will not seem like it is constantly trying to turn itself over and is not as much like balancing a ball on a pogostick!!!

anyway in the end it has to be your decision of what you want to do and what your are more interested in flying, both can be great and alot of fun.
clint

"what goes up must come down," hopefully in one piece!
06-06-2008 07:52 PM
 
 
maniatwo
Heliman
Location: hagerstown, MD USA

Just when thought I was ready to buy A T- Rex 500 I spoke to someone at a hobby shop from CA and they said, if you want the best money can buy, Logo is the Lamborghini of heli's. Granted the top of the line was over $5000.00 but they have a kit Mikado Logo 500 DX that I could sit up for about $1900. Fataba Radio, the best money can buy, a Fataba Gyro, High Tech Servo's, NEU motors and Thunder power w/fail safe battery for someone like me, a beginner, is one of the best battery. 6 Cell, 500 milla Amp or even 1000, Current rating (power Outage) 25 good, 30 best.

They also said, I should start out with a T-Rex 450 until they get all the bugs worked out of the 500e. And I could use this set up not only with the Logo Heli, but with the T-Rex 450s with Plastic Rotor heads. Granted a few changed would need to be made.

Any comments? I am a newbie and trying to figure out what to buy for my second Heli. I want something good, not something I will regret down the road. They suggested a T-Rex 450s with the setup above, that way I have the best and can grow into the Logo. And it will save me about $4200. I really wanted a 500 or 600 size, but they said those once you hit 600 you are looking at competition size helis and might be way to much for a beginner like me with so few hours of flying.

After all, what hobby shop is going to try and sell you a something that cost over $4000.00 less if they do not have your best interest in mind? They spent over an hour on the phone with me and were very very patient.

So, any suggestions would be very very much appreciated. Pretty much confused as hell right now. It is like walking into a candy store so much to see so little time to try it all out.

HELPPPP!!!!....

Many thanks to all.
TLW...
06-06-2008 09:07 PM
 
 
centuryman
Veteran
Location: deerriver,mn usa

personaly i would recomend for a newbie,best bang for the buck is a swift 16.I still have my first one and it has over 500 flights on it.

the reason i ordered a trex 500 was for a pocket rocket that can be flown in a confined space such as my back yard.

bigger is definatly better when it comes to stability and keeping orintation.

the swift can be very tame and mild on 4s cheap batteries or a123's to wild on a 8s power system with a neu1907 witch is what my second one is.

For anewbie they're perfect, cheap ,durable, stable, bigger,cheap parts, and very upgradable.and you can run up to 550 blades.plus they work fine with cheap full sized servo's. my first one running on 6s is still my warm up heli,and the heli i try all my new moves on first,

as for why 2 trex 600e's. the first one has a 8s power system and is fast and just a great heli,but i have a power thing and i have a spare 1910 neu motor laying around,so i figure if a lot of power is good,an insane amoiunt is better, i also have athing for 12s powersystems and that's what this new 600 is.

as for a trex 600 being stable and mild. try spinning them up to 2400 headspeed and see just how stable and mild they aremine is a blur in flipsm and roll's

As far as batteries, there's a 80% rule, don't pull more then 80% capacvity out if you whant them to last.Most of you're good batteries are good for 200 plus cycles if not ovewrheated or over discharged.
06-07-2008 12:38 AM
 
 
maniatwo
Heliman
Location: hagerstown, MD USA

Still trying to buy my second heli. T-Rex 450S/500 or a Mikado Logo 500 DX?

Once again, thank you all for all your help and advice that you all have graciously offered me over the last six months. I can't thank you enough.

I called a few hobby shops and I was told that Logo is the Lamborghini of heli's. Granted their top of the line was over $5000.00 but they have a kit that I could sit up for about $1900 and under the Mikado Logo 500 DX. The Set up would include the list below.

They also said, that Fataba Radio, and a Fataba Gyro were the best money can buy. High Tech Servo's, NEU motors were also the best money can buy. And Thunder power w/fail safe battery for someone like me, a beginner, is one of the best battery. 6 Cell, 500 milla Amp or even 1000, Current rating (power Outage) 25 good, 30 best. This last part is all Greek to me. No clue what they meant. I just took notes and hoped someone here could explain it to me in layman's terms.

I really wanted the T-Rex 500, but each hobby shop said, that the 500e is still very new and has some bugs that need to be worked out, just like the T-Rex 450 did when it first came out. And in 6 months they should have it all worked out. So it would be in my best interest to wait on the T-Rex 500 until late Fall. By then all the bugs will be worked out and it will be an awesome Heli. However, I really, really, really love that size. They all would sell me one, but really suggested I wait.

The problem is, I really have no clue and at the mercy of the hobby shops I speak with. Most seem very honest and each has always pushed me away from the 600 size for the simple reason, I am a beginner. A 600 size is more of a competition Heli. Secondly, the parts are a hell of lot more once you get into a 600 size Heli. And being a beginner, I will CRASH, I WILL beak parts. So, unless I have a money tree in my back yard, it might be best to start out with something that parts are very easy to find and much much cheaper.

So each hobby shop, that I have spoken with, has tried to push me towards a T-Rex 450 due to the availability of part, price and that it has been out for a while and has proven to be one of the best helis in it's class/size. With that in mind, I know the hobby shops, must be sincere, otherwise, they would more then happy, to push the Logo 600 or even the T-Rex 500.

So, my question, which there are many, so I apologize, but who better to ask then fellow flyers who are non bias opinion, so to speak, and who have nothing to gain. So I thank you now for any and all reply's.

Does anyone have the Mikado Logo 500 DX or any of the Logo Helis? And if so, has anyone flown both the Mikado Logo 500 DX/Logo and T-Rex 450S both having pretty much the same set up, or at least as close has possible?

Is Futaba Radio and Futaba Gyro's the best money can buy? What about High Tech Servo's? Are they also one of the best? NEU motors? Are they also one of the best motors? And then we have batteries. They said Thunder Pack with fail safe for someone like me since I am a beginner. I might give up some power, but I gain a fail safe So a gave and take feature. That way it has a little protection build in to help save the battery. Which is a pretty big investment.

If all this is the best, is it worth buying best?

Then we move on to stuff I have no clue about. So any input would be very much appreciated. Even if you have to break it down to laymen terms I would feel insulted.

6 Cell, 500 milla Amp or even 1000, Current rating (power Outage) 25 good, 30 best. This part I have no clue about so please feel free to elaborate even if in great detail if you want. I will read it over and over until I understand.

Finally, They really were trying to push the T-Rex 450s with the Setup I listed above and work up. They said I could set that Heli, T-Rex 450S for $700 and have one hell of a Heli. And they hold their value very well. Which is kind of a mute point. How many of you sold your first or second Heli. Hell, how many of you sold any of your heli's? They are almost like your babies. All they blood sweat and tears that you put into them, parting with them in not really an option.

In closing I would rather spend the money and get excellent quality then compromise and regret it later. And like most guys, BIGGER is always better. It is a Testosterone thing. Which is why I really wanted a 500 class.

Thank you for taking the time to read and I welcome all and any advice and or opinions.

Thank you
Ty
06-07-2008 01:40 PM
 
 
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