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USNAviationjay
Senior Heliman
Location: Sugar Land Tx USA

Well I'm not into all that 3D.. And I dont understand the poeple that like 3D...

so I guess that makes us even..

Helis don't fly like that why should an RC heli?

hell nothing on the planet flies like a 3D heli.. its more like watching a UFO in a movie..


I worked with Aircraft for quite a long time in my life.. and Im flat out fascinated with them still.. I look at helis as a marvel of technology still they amaze me and I cant keep my eyes off them RC and In real scale..

I just want to build scale flyers that look as real as possible and fly as real as possible.

that doesn't mean I wont roll/loop once in a while as we all know that is possible on todays more advanced helis.

as for the spastic flying y'all can have that.

as for why we fly the 3D helis.. what else is there really? nothing.. the best small scale bird out there is a Rex (or clone) there are more scale bodies for a 450 Rex than nearly any other size out there..

thats why...

not everyone can afford 4000 dollar turbine scale birds or even large nitro.. (or not have the area to fly something that large) and still would like to be able to rebuild for less than a car note should we crash.
06-04-2008 03:07 PM
 
 
PilotDaz
Key Veteran
Location: Seattle, WA

I enjoy watching both 3D and Scale/Sport. I think there's something enjoyable in both styles, and I don't see why there needs to be a debate about which is better.

It's like trying to compare riding street bikes vs dirt bikes. They're both very different but fun activities.

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Helis don't fly like that why should an RC heli?

I certainly can't agree with this statement. 3D heli's don't exist to mimic full scale heli's, they exist for having fun and challenging the pilot.

I'm sure if full scale heli's could do 3D, there would be air show pilots pushing the limits of that as well.

~Team Collective Mayhem - "My anger management class really PISSES ME OFF!"
06-04-2008 05:03 PM
 
 
seattle_helo
Key Veteran
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Well said, PilotDaz.
06-04-2008 05:13 PM
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vidmarv
Senior Heliman
Location: ft walton beach, FL

3D is here to stay, and will continue to dominate

The fact of the matter is, 3D will continue to grow because the equipment manufacturers realize it is a gold mine as far as selling replacement parts go. If I were building blades, I would spend most of my sponsorship money on 3D events knowing that the vast majority of 3D wanna be's are gonna pump big bucks into buying my products to try and attain mad "Szabo" skills. I suppose, in many ways, it's good for the industry, in that, if all of us were to just putt around the sky and never crash, a lot less parts would be made and they would cost more. I don't fly 3D, nor do I have the desire too, but I am glad so many do. It makes getting stuff that much cheaper.

I hope they continue to attract many more people to that side of it, as it does "push the envelope" as far as technology goes. They'll pump money and time into getting the machines to do more and more fantastic tricks. For me, it means my tame flying style will get cheaper and cheaper as the technology gets better and more folks crash more often.

It's a great time to be in this hobby!

Cool!

VM

Perfectly sliced air every time!
06-04-2008 05:28 PM
 
 
mbrewer
Heliman
Location: Corpus Christi, TX

I say fly it however you want to, just make it look good

"I'd give ya my 2 cents, but I just spent it on my heli"
06-04-2008 06:16 PM
 
 
Dakine
Elite Veteran
Location: OC, Commifornia

It's only a toy....who cares how you fly it!?!?!

Just because you've got money, it doesn't mean you'll fly well.

Just because you fly well, doesn't mean you'll make a lot of money.

With this in mind, enjoy the hobby .
06-04-2008 06:21 PM
 
 
TachyonDriver
Veteran
Location: Chipping, Lancs, UK

Oh Crap! Dakine said the "T" word

(...runs screaming for cover....)

Regarding those who say they cannot afford to do 3D - the way I read that is they cannot afford the cost WHILST developing the 3D skills - pushin gthe envelope may lead to more crashes, but once the mad skills have been attained then the amount of crashes drastically reduces.

Tach.

Little Spinning Bundle of Joy® DON'T DISS THE DINO!!
06-04-2008 06:38 PM
 
 
ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

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I think there's something enjoyable in both styles, and I don't see why there needs to be a debate about which is better.


With the exception of maybe JAGNZ and Havoc , I don't see anyone debating which style is better, it's just a bunch of us explaining our opinions on why we fly the way we do.

That, to me, seems to be the scope of the question by the OP.
06-04-2008 10:52 PM
 
 
Havoc
Key Veteran
Location: Ky.

Hey now wait a second , when did I say which was better? I happen to have taken up two of the disciplines myself and wouldn't argue one was better than the other. I did try to make an argument for at least dabbling in 3D. You won't often hear the scale pilot who can 3D complain about too much wind. Although its also true the all 3D guy might have trouble with precision over the FAI or scale. See I’ve got posts on the prosecution side and defense side.
06-04-2008 11:11 PM
 
 
Dilbeck
Key Veteran
Location: Springdale Arkansas

Its all good, I dabble in 3D just to test myself but am into the scale/FAI style of flying. No doubt the extreme 3D flyer's are some what over achievers and the skill level is way up there. All I'm saying is it just looks unnatural, kind of like a boat going inverted and moving on its side and doing a nose stand, just doesn't look realistic. Nevertheless its entertaing to some people and I say to each his own.

If it doesn't fly sell it!
06-05-2008 12:03 AM
 
 
red_z06
Elite Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

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just doesn't look realistic.

I agree that doing 3d with a scale heli looks odd. At the same time pod and boom doing scale stuff looks odd as well. P-n-B screams 3D.

www.justinchi.com
06-05-2008 12:07 AM
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JAGNZ
rrProfessor
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

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All I'm saying is it just looks unnatural, kind of like a boat going inverted and moving on its side and doing a nose stand, just doesn't look realistic.

That's the whole point for me! I don't WANT it to look realistic! Model helis do things that fullsize can NEVER do, that's why I fly them. I like how 3D appears to defy the laws of physics and gravity, it just looks so wrong (in a good way, LOL) when a heli does a tail stand take off for example. And a well executed, stationary piro-flip - WOW. Even the simple 'Slapper' maneuver looks so odd that it just blows the mind.

Totally cool!

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, T700N, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz
06-05-2008 12:11 AM
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PilotDaz
Key Veteran
Location: Seattle, WA

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All I'm saying is it just looks unnatural, kind of like a boat going inverted and moving on its side and doing a nose stand, just doesn't look realistic.

I flew heli's for years thinking the exact same thing. I'd watch JK do crazy stuff and think "why would anyone want to do that?"

Somehow though, a couple of years ago the bug bit me and now I find myself trying to get to that next level in the 3D style and really enjoying the challenge.

I relate 3D flying more to freestyle skateboarding then I do to "helicopter flying". It's more about what you can make the thing do (while maintaining control) rather than making it look realistic.

~Team Collective Mayhem - "My anger management class really PISSES ME OFF!"
06-05-2008 12:21 AM
 
 
Dilbeck
Key Veteran
Location: Springdale Arkansas

See, thats just it, everybody gets something from one or the other and its all good. Fly it and fly it your way, some will like it and some will not.

If it doesn't fly sell it!
06-05-2008 12:36 AM
 
 
nkosibubezi
Heliman
Location: QLD/ Australia

I am with Dood,

People who can 3D!
People who can't
Don't 3D they just
fly Scale!
There may be some exeptions
but they will understand
because they can!


Cheers Chris

Upsidedowninsideoutwithnoredbutton!!!!
06-07-2008 04:14 PM
 
 
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