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Main Discussion > Understanding Non-3D Pilots
 
 
fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

some people just like to take a cruise....like the guy who has a mint 69 Camaro worked to the ba##s....and he just takes it out for a ride to the store once or twice a week......whatever floats your boat...or hovers your heli

for many people,this is a relaxing hobby...a way to get outside, meet people and have fun.....flying 3D(I assume,as I cant YET)must be very stressful,and usually expensive to get to the point where you are good.....whereas sport/scale guys problably go months/years between crashes once they get to a certain point

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05-31-2008 06:25 PM
 
 
rotoryrob
Veteran
Location: Auburn WA

I have to agree with you Mike it should be what you get pleasure in. Sometimes I like to fly "3D" other times I like the liesure flying of more FAI style or just hovering over a bouy at the lake. After all it is a hobby right? not a Carreer. I know some guys that fly 3D that can't even fly nose in or just a simple figure 8 circuit.

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05-31-2008 06:28 PM
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Aaron29
Key Veteran
Location: Bossier City, LA

Where ever did they get the term 3D from?

3D = Three dimensional.

OK so a forward flight turning climbout, then.

LOL

I agree the term is lame.

-Aaron
05-31-2008 06:30 PM
 
 
fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

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I was under the impression as soon as a heli leaves upright flight, it's considered 3D.



see I have read that the 8 basic orientations are what you need to do to be ready to start 3D......I also thought loops,flips,and rolls are considered sport flying

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05-31-2008 06:31 PM
 
 
Aaron29
Key Veteran
Location: Bossier City, LA

I like smooth, big 3d style.

Some new stuff is so spastic and random it's not really even fun to watch.

The style that kind of stands out big, smooth, is Curtis. He flies so nice it puts people to shame.

So many others look like they are intentionally trying to make the heli explode in midair. I still don't understand the aesthetic in that.

Also, most the guys who make it look real nice like Curtis and Szabo have at least some background in FAI.

-Aaron
05-31-2008 06:32 PM
 
 
Aaron29
Key Veteran
Location: Bossier City, LA

So if it isn't 3d, is it 2D? That's called driving.

LOL now we don't even have 3d as a term anymore. There's:

"SMACK" 3D.
"HARD" 3D
"SMOOTH" 3D.

And of course there's always

WANNABE 3D.

I think 99% of us are flying WANNABE 3D and calling it "Hard 3D"

LOL!

-Aaron
05-31-2008 06:33 PM
 
 
Havoc
Key Veteran
Location: Ky.

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I was under the impression as soon as a heli leaves upright flight, it's considered 3D.

I guess there are 3D stunts and then there is 3D flying. Some call anything non-scale "3D". So you start to get into semantics and the topic gets too tedious for me. But my point is that its always good to try to find areas in your flight that you are uncomfortable with and try to master them. 3D does this by force if done right. My first post in this thread I argued for why people may not care for it. It's not the only style out there. All I was doing in my other posts was explaining why you may want to hold your nose and do it anyway.
05-31-2008 06:35 PM
 
 
whirlyspud
Veteran
Location: USA

The term originated with the Japanese pilots about 20 years back. And to put it right, it was not 3d, it was more like free dee. And before some of you get your ****(breasts) in a bunch and call me racist. Which I am not....at least in my opinion, ask some of the guys that flew back then and see what they say.

Mike
05-31-2008 06:36 PM
 
 
Aaron29
Key Veteran
Location: Bossier City, LA

The term has also permeated into the planker world.

Was that Japanese influence as well?

-Aaron
05-31-2008 06:38 PM
 
 
WillyGoat
New Heliman
Location: kansas

I am a 3D hater
I cant do any of it but everybody always asks me if I can.
I cant invest that much money or time in the hobby so Ill just keep on doing what I like.
05-31-2008 06:39 PM
 
 
whirlyspud
Veteran
Location: USA

It was used in the heli circles long before the plane guys got to it. I don't like to use the term with either.

Mike
05-31-2008 06:39 PM
 
 
speeddemon370
Veteran
Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

Sometimes it's nice to go out and do fff, nice sweeping corners, doughnuts, off axis dougnuts, etc etc. To me you cross the 3d line when you go upside down or start making abrupt maneuvers and sometimes I'm just not in the mood. You also have to admit that watching a heli doing perfect banked veathervaned turns left right left right is a pretty nice thing to watch.

I don't know why some people think the way they do. Just think, it could be worse, he could build a big moneybag heli and not want to even fly it?

This post reminds me of a couple of my dirtbike friends. They'll have absolutely no reservations about going 80+ mph down a switchbacked fire road in the mountains. Not very wide and usually at the switchbacks it's 200+ feet off a cliff to certian death should you make a mistake. These same people wouldn't do a 40 or a 60 foot jump if thier life depended on it and in mx terms that's a small jump. Go figure.

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk
05-31-2008 06:41 PM
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Dave Yost
Veteran
Location: San Diego Ca, USA

My flying style is a combo. I still like "big Sky" Maneuvers, with some Tic-Toc's and Chaos thrown in.

You go to a fun fly these days, it's the same crap over and over... Flip flop, flip flop......

I like:

Big backward hurricanes
Chaos
big loops
funnels.....Ect....

Don't get:

Crack
Multiple Tic-Tocs to the point that it kills the head speed and the tail won't hold....
Ect.....

Very fine line between what looks good and what looks stupid.

Dave

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05-31-2008 06:42 PM
 
 
Aaron29
Key Veteran
Location: Bossier City, LA

"SMACK 3D" is when you try to 3D without learning all orientations, and smack into the ground.

LOL or is that "FUNKY CHICKEN" 3D?

-Aaron
05-31-2008 06:44 PM
 
 
Aaron29
Key Veteran
Location: Bossier City, LA

Dave.

Actually what looks stupid is people trying 3D they aren't ready for.

Masters of 3D make it look good, but when someone emulates it they usually lack the collective management (i.e. experience) and orientation (i.e. experience) to make it look smooth, coordinated, and good.

-Aaron
05-31-2008 06:46 PM
 
 
Havoc
Key Veteran
Location: Ky.

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These same people wouldn't do a 40 or a 60 foot jump if thier life depended on it

I hear ya. I jumped a foot once. But it was a really big spider and came out of nowhere.
05-31-2008 06:48 PM
 
 
JetFire
Key Veteran
Location: The Golden STATE

I think everyone has this mindset that you aren’t considered to be a real pilot unless you have the skills to fly 3D. It’s a common misconception amongst newer pilots because they lack the experience and don’t know the difference in that it requires just as much skills, if not more, to fly any other style. What allot of people don’t realize is that banging your stick is not a form of skill but precision flying is. There is a fine line between the two in which it is so difficult to determine even by an experience flyer. I say this because in competition, it’s even more difficult for the judges who sees these kinds of maneuvers all day from pilot to pilot. I, for one, can only tolerate about half-hours worth of 3D flying at an event. After that, it gets boring because it starts to all look the same. However, I find the best part to be the different styles of auto approaches. Other than that, I’d much rather watch weed wacking low inverted hovers or a drag and pylon race with even some low flying super sonic flybys. And also... the scale models. Wow! A thing of beauty and always fun to watch.

IMO


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05-31-2008 06:48 PM
 
 
whirlyspud
Veteran
Location: USA

Lol Speeddemon. I'm kind of like that. I'll open up my dirt bike on a trail, but I have less than zero interest in jumping it.

Mike
05-31-2008 06:49 PM
 
 
rotoryrob
Veteran
Location: Auburn WA

well said Aaron that also gets me.. Sure you have to learn it but I have seen tic tocs that start at 30 feet and end up in the ground.

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05-31-2008 06:50 PM
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JetFire
Key Veteran
Location: The Golden STATE

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or is that funky chicken 3D

LoL. Aaron, Enlighten me on this. I’ve seen helis dance in the sky as well as on the ground but could never understand the cause. I have a Kinetic 50 that is poorly designed in the throttle perspective because the linkage runs horizontal to the servo that’s mounted in the front tray. If for some odd reason I was to make contact with the ground in a nose dive that will open up the throttle wide open making it difficult to engage throttle cut. I brought this up because I could see how this particular heli would do the chicken dance. Is this the case to allot of helis? Or is it because you smack the ground so hard that it knocks the linkage out. I’m just curious. I now have a 600N and I don’t see how this is an issue.


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05-31-2008 07:09 PM
 
 
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