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Beginners Corner > Blade CP PRo Shaking
 
 
Carljw
Heliman
Location: Pittsburgh

My cp pro just started shaking real bad. I had it out last night and no crashes or hard landings. With the blades off it is real smooth. I tryed 3 sets of blades all the same. Had the head apart spindle stright and the main shaft out and its stright. I noticed it today when I was cheacking my pitch. I weighd it down to ck the tracking and its shacking so bad there is no way to track the blades they are one big blurr.Any one have any ideas what could be causing this.
Carl
05-28-2008 07:19 PM
 
 
speeddemon370
Veteran
Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

Blades really out of balance, blades on backwards or bad dampers. Also could be you're feathering shaft. In fact, if different blades are doing the same thing, it'd say it's probably the feathering shaft or dampers. Or both.

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk
05-28-2008 07:34 PM
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Carljw
Heliman
Location: Pittsburgh

i put new o rings in and the shaft is not bent at all and i have a little end play if I pull on the blade grips in and out. I was just running it up again with no blades and the blade grips look a little blury as the head spins so something is going on with the head assy.
I have had shakes before with a bent spindle but never this bad. I use a 5 lb steel bar across the skids when I test the tracking and it almost shackes it off the skids. It does the same thing with new and balanced blades.
Carl
05-28-2008 07:53 PM
 
 
sinte
Senior Heliman
Location: Tacoma,WA

try sticking some little washers in between the grips and the head block to shim it up....tightening that up should smooth it out

.....97% Adrenaline...3% Skill.....
05-28-2008 09:43 PM
 
 
flag8r77
Veteran
Location: Jacksonville Florida

Check EVERYTHING in the head...all screws, nuts,arms, etc...something is probably loose.

Life is tough, it's tougher if you're stupid
05-29-2008 01:23 AM
 
 
fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

Quote 
have a little end play if I pull on the blade grips in and out.


this could be your problem...get rid of any play in the blade grips

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05-29-2008 12:29 PM
 
 
w8qz
Veteran
Location: Walker, MI - USA

My experience with my Blade CP (with the mixers added - pretty much the same as the 'Pro', I think) is:

a) I wouldn't try running the machine with the skids 'held down' "5 lb steel bar across the skids" as you are doing. The 'ground resonance' effect is hard to predict; usually, a heli will not act normally. The only way I know to check tracking is to hover the heli. If you are not able to do that, get an experienced pilot to help you. The stock wood main blades are pretty well matched (in my experience) from the factory. I'd match up all your head linkages for length, so that (with the motors disconnected) you have 0 deg. pitch at mid stick in idle-up mode, and go with that. Make sure your flybar paddles are aligned parallel with the flybar 'frame'. This should get you close enough for a test hover. Note also that because of b), you *cannot* get perfect tracking. Get the main blades to within about 1 blade thickness of track - as the beer commercial says, "It doesn't get any better than this!"

b) There normally is some 'slop' in the stock CP head / blade grips. When I added shims to take out the slop, my CP did NOT work well, but had some nasty vibrations. This is inherent in the stock head. It apparently takes a much higher head speed to run a 'tight' rotor head (I'm guessing ?).

c) A common problem with the CP is a bent main shaft. They are made out of *butter-soft* steel , and bend in a very minor crash. I check mine by removing the head, run the main motor very slowly. Look for any wobble of the end of the main shaft (a dial indicator is best here) and straighten the shaft by thumb pressure. It doesn't take all that much to bend the shaft, or to bend it straight. Ideally, get the end of the main shaft to .001" TIR or less for a smooth running machine.


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05-29-2008 02:05 PM
 
 
Carljw
Heliman
Location: Pittsburgh

I found the problem I had too many shims on the spindle. I have 4 spindles and each one is a different leanth if I use my digital caliper to ck them. Took two out each side and it smoothed out. Thanks for all the replys.
Carl
05-29-2008 02:23 PM
 
 
sinte
Senior Heliman
Location: Tacoma,WA

cool....good job man....4 spindles different lengths?? they must of had a new guy on the production line that day

.....97% Adrenaline...3% Skill.....
05-29-2008 02:45 PM
 
 
JRjoe
Elite Veteran
Location: Portage, IN




JRjoe
05-29-2008 08:43 PM
 
 
heliman79
Senior Heliman
Location: loxley, alabama united states

another easy fix is to just get rid of that damn headache machine! hehe

precision is the by-product of practice.....
06-14-2008 12:07 AM
 
 
Damper
Senior Heliman
Location: Point Blank TX USA

[quote]they must of had a new guy on the production line that day

You hit the hammer and the head. What was the QC department thinking
agout?

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06-14-2008 01:20 AM
 
 
speeddemon370
Veteran
Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

I had the same problem (1 too many shims on the feathering shaft) on my brand new b400. I've heard about it in alot of other instances too. Seems to be a common problem. Glad you figured it out.

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk
06-14-2008 06:45 PM
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