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borneobear
Senior Heliman
Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

In my country, where you pay PER FLIGHT, they do (on top of that), ask you to apply for approval for the specific time, place, for what purpose and why.
06-12-2008 04:37 PM
 
 
FCM
Elite Veteran
Location: Back in Blighty!

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In my country, where you pay PER FLIGHT, they do (on top of that), ask you to apply for approval for the specific time, place, for what purpose and why.

That's a permit from the Mapping Department though, not the DCA. This permit is to do with photographing sensitive locations and has nothing to do with airworthiness requirements which are controlled by the DCA here. I understand it's origins are connected with the communist terrorist activities from year gone by?

Paul.
06-13-2008 05:41 AM
 
 
macsgrafs
Senior Heliman
Location: Barnstaple, Devon, UK

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Well Chaps it's great to see people getting stuck in on this subject, the more we have the more chance of freedom we will have!
Here's hopeing from a free democratic nation where people are born free and are able to speak and move freely and where your vote really counts.

hahahahahahaha who told you that we live in a free society, they have blagged you my friend. How can it be freedom when it's dictated to us from an elite few, hardly freedom in my book.
I was led to believe that we had freedom of thought....but a UK court of law found that not to be so & I ended up in prison for 6 months...for taking photos of consenting adults, for consenting adults!!!! There is no such thing as freedom in the yUK!
Remember we are SUBJECTS of Her majesty

Ross

Seems to me that ALL heli's beat the air into submission
06-13-2008 08:40 AM
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Bell Bloke
Key Veteran
Location: England

Hey guys, I was being sarcastic about all the freedom stuff!
Do I take the red pill or the blue one? Nope don't need to because the real truth is so obvious. And no you are not being paranoid Pigs Don't Fly, I would say you are not paraniod enough.
Soon I suspect even writing any form of anti state stuff on any forum will result in a visit from big brother, your name discredited and we will all be locked up for conspiracy. Give it 20 years or so.........
06-13-2008 05:59 PM
 
 
JohnC
Veteran
Location: East Yorkshire, England

Update

Anyone had a response from Chris Yet ?.
06-17-2008 12:46 PM
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pigs dont fly
Key Veteran
Location: Ruined UK

Nothing here..I'm not surprised though, I expect they are reassessing all the fee's, to correspond to the now revised number of possible prosecutions for doing illegal AP.

Warning...This hobby is very addictive and may damage your wealth
06-17-2008 02:51 PM
 
 
Badllarma
Senior Heliman
Location: North West UK

I've had an idea

All buy very large dogs Alsations, Rottweiler etc And a pair of white iPod ear phones claim as business expense of course Teach the dog to growl at anything within 20 feet of you.

Take the dog to your flying location and sit it up, put the ear plugs in your ears and, then go and fly where ever you want

I've got my KAP rigg now anyway so they can stick there B certificates up there A*%e,.................. when it's windy anyway
06-17-2008 03:18 PM
 
 
lib435
Heliman
Location: UK

no response yet,

A thousand nuts and bolts all flying in formation, untill one decides to leave and the rest follow.
06-18-2008 01:41 PM
 
 
pigs dont fly
Key Veteran
Location: Ruined UK

I have a reply as follows:

Thank you for your message which Doug Robertson has passed to me for a response. I'm sorry to have taken a while to repspond but I went on holiday the day you sent your e-mail and only returned a week ago, so I'm still catching up.

We are in the process of consulting with industry on our proposal to amend the Air Navigation Order to include UAS with a vehicle mass below 7 kg within the scope of regulation. If you would like to participate in the consultation, which is intended to identify issues such as those you have raised, you can find the Letter of Consultation and associated Impact Assessment on the CAA website at:
http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?c...=90&pageid=9644 or alternatively by accessing the CAA website at: www.caa.co.uk and clicking on the "Consultations" link in the blue box on the left of the page under "tell me more about..."

To answer your questions, if you are intending to carry out aerial work using an unmanned aircraft system, including a model aircraft, that is equipped for surveillance or data gathering, then we will require you to obtain a permission from us. Aerial work, as I'm sure you know, essentially means that you will be paid for the activity. We anticipate that you will be able to apply for a permission using a standardised paper form or, when available, an electronic format.

For the sort of operation that you are planning to undertake I anticipate that a multiple use permission would be required and for that we would wish to see a small operations manual that would detail the nature and scope of your activities, how you had identified and assessed the risks inherent in those activities and introduced mitigating measures to ensure the safety of other airspace users and persons on the ground as applicable. The permission would probably be renewable annually and would be covered by the CAA's Scheme of Charges. Currently a multiple use permission costs some £200.

We are not proposing to introduce airworthiness requirements for UAVs under 7 kgs. CAP 722 Ch 2 states that: "For a civil UAS with an operating mass not exceeding 20 kg (without fuel), no
airworthiness certification is required. However, an operational permission may be required for such aircraft – see Section 3, Chapter 1.

Lastly, as regards the use of model aircraft and other UAS for non-commercial or purely recreational activities, we are particularly mindful of the need to avoid interfering with the long established and generally responsible model flying community and its activities, and so we are only looking to regulate aerial work not recreational flying.

To understand more about what we are proposing, I recommend that you have a look at the consultation. Any further comments you might have in response to the consultation would be very welcome.

Yours sincerely,

Chris Finnigan

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Many thanks to Mr Finnigan, so reading that as follows...

snip...
To answer your questions, if you are intending to carry out aerial work using an unmanned aircraft system, including a model aircraft, that is equipped for surveillance or data gathering, then we will require you to obtain a permission from us. Aerial work, as I'm sure you know, essentially means that you will be paid for the activity. We anticipate that you will be able to apply for a permission using a standardised paper form or, when available, an electronic format.

Along with the last part regarding AP for fun...

snip...
'Lastly, as regards the use of model aircraft and other UAS for non-commercial or purely recreational activities, we are particularly mindful of the need to avoid interfering with the long established and generally responsible model flying community and its activities, and so we are only looking to regulate aerial work not recreational flying.'
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This means to me that hobby AP remains the same as before, and commercial needs a cert, fee, permission etc.

Seems ok and good news, or does anyone else interpret that differently?

Cheers
Ian

Warning...This hobby is very addictive and may damage your wealth
06-18-2008 04:29 PM
 
 
JohnC
Veteran
Location: East Yorkshire, England

It certainly sounds encouraging. I'm definitely in favour of some form of control but the response from Mr Whittaker set the alarm bells ringing. This one seems like common sense to me - so let's hope the final outcome will be on these lines.

It sounds like they are moving away from the 'Surveillence + data gathering' criteria and back towards 'Aerial work'.

I'm still waiting for a response from Chris - I bet the poor guy is snowed under with emails to answer.

JohnC
06-18-2008 05:00 PM
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lib435
Heliman
Location: UK

I totally agree with PDF and John C that this sounds like a more sensible approach from the CAA. As i said before in my previous posts, they are not looking to kill of AP work, its just that they are worried about the number of people able to access this area with absolutely no knowledge of the ANO and safety of persons /propety for which they will be responsible. However, we still have not yet seen the final draft of what the permission will entail but the early signs would seem to be a reasonable way of monitoring who is doing what and where without grounding everyone with ridiculous restrictions/conditions.
Lets hope it stays that way.
Graham.

A thousand nuts and bolts all flying in formation, untill one decides to leave and the rest follow.
06-18-2008 07:04 PM
 
 
patrickegan
Veteran
Location: Sacramento, CA

Here is the pic of the guys from UK CAA posting here at RR
06-18-2008 08:18 PM
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lib435
Heliman
Location: UK

has anyone other than P.D.F. had a reply back from chris finnigan????

A thousand nuts and bolts all flying in formation, untill one decides to leave and the rest follow.
06-23-2008 11:31 PM
 
 
Hogster
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, UK

Still waiting here ...


David
06-24-2008 01:09 AM
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Bell Bloke
Key Veteran
Location: England

Me too
06-24-2008 08:14 AM
 
 
JohnC
Veteran
Location: East Yorkshire, England

Nothing here either.
06-25-2008 07:35 AM
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ki-gas
Senior Heliman
Location: All over Europe, mainly England

Wrote to Chris Finningan a week ago, got an auto reply this morning saying he was out of the office until 30th. Auto reply was a bit slow in replying :-)
06-27-2008 02:57 PM
 
 
Hogster
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, UK

I thought he was meant to be back on the 11th June? Maybe he needed to take another holiday after seeing all these emails in his inbox


David
06-27-2008 03:06 PM
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pigs dont fly
Key Veteran
Location: Ruined UK

Someone else must have had a reply (except me) by now???? Anyone? ◄◄◄◄◄◄ ☺

Warning...This hobby is very addictive and may damage your wealth
07-10-2008 11:45 PM
 
 
ki-gas
Senior Heliman
Location: All over Europe, mainly England

Apparantly, multiple permission has increased from £200 to £206 ............... good game, good game!!!!
07-11-2008 12:18 AM
 
 
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