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e-Electric Batteries & Chargers > Hyperion 1210 and Flightpower EVO 10s
 
 
jmiceli11
Senior Heliman
Location: Girard, PA 15 min west of Erie, PA, USA

Can anyone help me with the wiring sequence of a Hyperion 1210 and two LBA 10 balancers for a Flightpower 10s pack?

I connected the master balancer to the balance lead with the single black wire and the slave balancer to the balance lead with all red wires. This resulted in the balance doing nothing.

I connceted the balancers in an opposite manner and the balancers work but I can't get them to enter connection mode, and the charge has a bad output connection error.

I have made a connector for the two balancers that will connect them both to the battery. The negative from the master balance goes to the battery negative the positive of the mast connects to the negative of the slave and the positive of the slave to the positive of the battery.

Any help is appreciated.

John
05-23-2008 03:08 AM
 
 
beans07
Heliman
Location: Hamilton, Vic - Australia

Hi John, did you work this out? I too am wanting to know how to do this as well.
07-13-2008 01:44 PM
 
 
jmiceli11
Senior Heliman
Location: Girard, PA 15 min west of Erie, PA, USA

BEANS07,

All of the responses indicate you have to have two seperate battery pack ,ie two 5s or two 6s, to use the 1210 and the LBA 10 balancers. Since I have a 10s battery it won't work. I wish this had been explained better in the specifications of the 1210 or I wouldn't have bought it.

John
07-14-2008 12:57 AM
 
 
beans07
Heliman
Location: Hamilton, Vic - Australia

John, I know it works with the polyquest 10s1p batteries so in theory it should work with the flightpower's. They are in essence the same batteries just with different ballance taps.

I am sure that the balance taps order is critical. My new batteries don't arrive until next week so I can't try it until then.

I had quite a bit of trouble trying to charge 2 batteries (same size and type) at a time at the start but it comes down to connecting it in the right sequence within the right time frame or the balances reset themselves.
07-14-2008 02:31 AM
 
 
jmiceli11
Senior Heliman
Location: Girard, PA 15 min west of Erie, PA, USA

How did you wire yours? Is the Master LBA 10 connected to the batter leads? Or was an adapter needed so that both LBA 10 work in series?

Thanks,
John
07-14-2008 03:27 AM
 
 
beans07
Heliman
Location: Hamilton, Vic - Australia

I have uploaded the photos to my gallery but it may take some time to come through.

There will need to be a combination of both pics done to work out how to do it. Also a multimeter to work out which is the 10th cell.

I current don't have the batteries and wont until next Tuesday 21st.
Here is some photo bucket pics:

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/...n_pic_large.jpg
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/...olyquest10s.jpg
07-14-2008 03:41 AM
 
 
jmiceli11
Senior Heliman
Location: Girard, PA 15 min west of Erie, PA, USA

BEANS07,

I may have had everything hooked up ass backwards, at least according to your pictures.

By the way are you going to use this battery in a Logo 600 3D? If so you'll love it!

Thanks,

John
07-14-2008 03:47 AM
 
 
beans07
Heliman
Location: Hamilton, Vic - Australia

John, I will be using 10s1p 25C 4350mah flightpowers and 10s1p 25C 4200mah Outrage packs when all the packs turn up next week in my new Logo600 V-Bar.

Tim
07-14-2008 03:50 AM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

Here's the LBA10-A manual with several wiring diagrams and the network connections.

http://aircraft-world.com/prod_data...-Manual-ENG.pdf
07-14-2008 12:53 PM
 
 
beans07
Heliman
Location: Hamilton, Vic - Australia

Hi John have you got it to work yet?

I had a play on the bench with 2 x 6s lipos as a 12s1p and used the multimeter and found that the balance taps are 1-6s and 1-6s. I guess that with the 10s1p they will either have 1-5s and 1-5s balance taps or they will be 1-10s.

By the looks form photos if I put the balance tap that has the black lead into the master and the other in the slave it should work.
07-15-2008 06:11 AM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

I have tried it.

I used two batteries wired in series to simulate one larger pack with two balance taps, and only one pair of power cables.

No Matter how the LBA10's were wired master-slave, nor how the batteries were wired, the LBA10s always gave an error. When tested separately they worked fine.

I cannot recommend this to anyone. It is a rat’s nest of wiring and it’s confusing: Charging batteries should never be a guessing game.

Using two smaller packs, upto 6S each in series is much more practical. You can get them in-and-out of the models with ease, they don’t sag in the middle like f/l packs and you don’t lose the entire battery if a cell goes down.

07-15-2008 03:43 PM
 
 
beans07
Heliman
Location: Hamilton, Vic - Australia

I have been playing with it tonight after my new flightpower 10s1p 25C 4350mah packs turned up and with some perseverance I have it working perfectly.

I have read many different forums and posts and everyone said it can't be done well, it can be and I have charged my 2 packs tonight.
07-22-2008 04:05 PM
 
 
beans07
Heliman
Location: Hamilton, Vic - Australia

Cam for me and my very high powered Logo6003D V-Bar setup it is better to use 1 single stick pack and thats why I have been trying to see if it works. Within an hour I had it working perfectly.
07-22-2008 04:09 PM
 
 
jmiceli11
Senior Heliman
Location: Girard, PA 15 min west of Erie, PA, USA

How? Could you post a picture?

Thanks,

John
07-23-2008 01:17 AM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

I will have to triple-check this. One of the Japanese tech’s did the wiring.

I tried to make it work but it is not clear which is why I would never recommend this to anyone.

I will re-do this with two 5S packs in series, so I only have one Red and one Black power wire to go to the balancers, and I will label the wires as well.

I’ve never been happy with the way the LBA’s function-select works. I have to get the manual out for this and its not often I read manuals for help - I normally write them!
07-26-2008 06:33 AM
 
 
beans07
Heliman
Location: Hamilton, Vic - Australia

Sorry it has taken me so ling to post but here is the procedure. It is different from the manual and different to the 2 x 5s packs procedure.

Despite what the manual says of how to charge it will not allow you to charge 10s on a hyperion 1210i with 2 x lab10 balancers. I have managed to get it to work and am hoping that Hyperion can include this information into the manual for people who want to charge single packs above 6s.

It can be done if you follow this routine and setup.

1. The balancers need to be setup with the Master coming from the pos lead of the charger or red wire and the Black is the Slave.
2. The link cable with the wiring from top to bottom of the following combination, black, red, blue, white in the Master balancer and the other end into the slave.
3. You will need a cable in series from the 2 balancer outputs to the battery leads also. This lead will have to follow the same paths and be red from the charger all the way through to the red on the battery lead, same goes for the black. Have this plugged in but not to the battery yet.
4. The leads from the charger output to the balancers need to also be in series to link both of the balancers together on the charging side.

Now we have to start plugging in the balance leads from the battery to the balancers. Please note it has to be done relatively quickly as the balancers have a timeout time (10sec I think)

1. Plug the balance lead from the battery that has all red pos wiring into the slave balancer fist.
2. Plug in the balance lead from the battery that has the black neg wire at the front followed by the red pos wiring in the master.

Now plug in the balancer to charge lead to the battery and you should see all the cell lights in both balancers all lit up balancing cells if so hit the charge button on the charger and you are away.

* If you don’t see the lights on the balancers you may have to press down on the balancer on the Master balancer for approx 1 sec to get the ‘connection’ mode of the balancer. Then once you see the lights on the balancers hit charge on the charger. You should also see the light of the connection mode on the master balancer as a full solid light.


Tim
07-28-2008 06:25 AM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

Hello Tim

I tried following your instructions.

I plugged the sync cable in as you said and connected the balance taps and leads in the order you said.

However I do not have a single 10S pack on hand, so I have connected two in series.

I am not sure how you are connecting the two LBA10’s to the charger. Can you please explain this again?

I was not able to make it work. I could get one balancer to work, or the other but not both together and the charger would always give an output error.

07-29-2008 03:29 AM
 
 
beans07
Heliman
Location: Hamilton, Vic - Australia

I can see your problem. The leads from the charger output to the balancers need to also be in series to link both of the balancers together or else it will not work. I will re amend the post.
07-29-2008 03:39 AM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

Do you mean like this? Because that doesn't work either!

I've tested the LBA's individually and they are setup correctly. (Put back in Master-Slave for the test).

07-29-2008 04:07 AM
 
 
beans07
Heliman
Location: Hamilton, Vic - Australia

Sorry for being so ignorant. I hadn't checked your setup properly.

You can't charge 2 x 5s (or whatever) in series that way as the balancer taps are not hooked up in series. In a 10s1p the balance taps are 1-10, and in 2 x 5s packs balancers will be 1-5 and 1-5. You can charge these batteries but it has to be done how it is described in the manual which does work.

I have done testing on this setup (2 x 6s) and got the same results as you did with the 10s1p setup I have described.

So this method is only for 7-12s setups that are built as 1p batteries. Not 2 batteries hooked in series.

The only way to check if it works is to use a 10s1p (1 stick pack) With 2 packs you will have 2 neg wires where in a 1p you only have 1 neg.

Hope this clears a few things up for you.
07-29-2008 04:14 AM
 
 
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