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Flybarless Rotor Head Systems > Helicommand Rigid - my take on it so far
 
 
TomC
Veteran
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

I’ve been playing around with my Helicommand Rigid flybarless system for almost 2 months now so I thought I’d share a few of my findings. Since I have not tried other systems, like V-bar or CMS, I cannot compare these. This is just my opinion about the Helicommand system.

I chose the Helicommand Rigid system over the Mikado V-bar for 2 main reasons. The main reason was that the HC offers stabilisation modes. I thought this might be useful while working on my 3D flying skills, so that I could have a ‘bail-out’ panic switch option. The second reason was that the HC set-up looked a lot less complicated. Price-wise, there was not much in it. The HC with software was only ~$50 cheaper than the V-bar (right now I think they are about the same price).

I initially tested HC on my 10s Tango 45-08 (w/12t pinion) Trex600 w/flybar, and Radix 600 main blades. This was a very simple installation. I just had to replace my Fut401 gyro with the HC unit, rewire it, set it up as per the instructions, and go fly. I tried both the horizontal stabilisation mode and the rigid mode. I did not try the position mode (holds a ground reference position but only good for up to ~2 metres) since I did not think that this was going to be useful for me.

In short, everything worked as advertised. The horizontal mode allowed you to bang the sticks, re-centre them, and the heli would then go into a nice level hover (with a bit of drift). The rigid mode worked much like without the HC but I noticed that the heli seemed to track a lot better, esp. in gusty winds. The tail seemed about the same, or better, than my old Fut401 (but this did need a few adjustments). So, no more excuses, time to try it without a flybar!

This was a very simple exercise (see picture below). Flipped the grips over, installed Vario ball’s (~14mm to centre), removed the headblock pins, installed a Mikado swashdriver, and replaced the trex600 inner swash balls with ones from an old clapped out Mikado swash. I brought the cyclic servo arms in to ~22mm (from ~28mm) and used a couple of 75mm Mikado rods/ball links that I had in my old Logo stock. While I had a most of these parts in stock, most will find it easier/cheaper to just go with the Mikado Trex600 head upgrade imop.



Only a couple of flying sessions were required to get the horiz and rigid gains right, and I had this heli flying fantastic. I upped my collective pitch from +/-12deg to +/-14deg and cyclic from 8deg to 10deg, all at 1950 rpm HS (I’m not a high HS junky) this heli was much more ballistic in climb-out, and very agile, with little or no bogging. I do not normally use expo on my cyclic but I needed to add 25% in this case. I flew the heli in very strong/gusty winds (grounded most of my flying mates) and it seemed to cut through the air with more authority than my larger/heavier Ion-x. By the way, the all up flying weight was 3.6 kg without flybar versus 3.7 kg with.

I tested both set-ups with Eagletree and found that both recorded about the same peak amps/watts but, on an average run, that the HC used ~12% less Mahr’s to do this. I’d estimate that the peak performance improvement with HC was in the order of ~20%. There is no doubt in my mind that the HC Trex600 is a much better flying heli, and I was getting ~1 min extra runtime to boot. I hated to switch it back to the flybar but I needed to go the next step and try the HC on my 10s single staged (10:1) Ion-x.

The Ion-x conversion was also very simple (see picture below). This was made esp. easy since Fredrick (MrMel) had already done it so I just followed his lead and got some K&S Raptor 60/90 metal grips and brought the cyclic servo arms in a bit (from 19.5mm to 15mm) in order to get a bit more torque and resolution out of my old Fut9252’s. The picture shows them before I brought the arms in. I used the Mikado Swashdriver and the stock swash-to-grip MA 2.6mm links.



To cut an already too long story short, the HC Ion-x, after a number of fine tunning flights (~5 times as many as the Trex600 took), is now flying very nicely. I’ve been able to up the collective pitch from +/-11deg to +/-14deg and cyclic from 7.5deg to 10deg without the heli bogging too much. The total flying weight with 2x5s Evo25 3700 is 4.3 kg versus 4.65 kg although ~80g of this is due to switching to lighter MA Razor landing gear. I recently replaced the PowerJazz esc with a Jazz 55-10-32 esc and have knocked down the weight to 4.15 kg. Not bad for a 90 sized heli swinging 690mm Radix blades!

My Eagletree recordings said similar things. That is, the peak amps/watts were about the same (at 1880 rpm HS) but the Mahr used during a normal run was ~10% less. However, the climb and agility increases were not as high as I experienced with the Trex600. I’d guesstimate that the peak climb-out rate is up ~10% and the agility is up ~15%, versus ~20% for the Trex600.

The only problem I’ve had is that I have not been able to get the horiz/rigid modes working together as well as I did with the Trex600. This is because to use both modes (= fixed mode) you need to hard-wire the rigid gains. The step size in the software is pretty course so it is difficult to match this if the gain settings required are pretty low. I’m sure I will figure a way around this eventually, or hopefully the software will improve. This is not an issue if you are using rigid only mode (= Extreme mode).

Still, I would say that this 10s Ion-x is much nicer to fly with HC. But if I could only have one HC unit, I’d put it back on my Trex600. I’m not sure, but I think that the 10s limit favours the smaller heli in this case.

My next step is to try the HC on a 15s Ion-x. I have an Actro 32-4 max ready to go to try on my SS Ion-x (waiting for new 111t MA main gears) and I’m finally getting back my Neu 1521/2y motor (~6 months in repair shop) to try again on my double staged 15s Ion-x. This should give me a good comparison on 15s.

Stay tunned!

Cheers,
TomC

CX2 2s
Logo10- 3D 5s
Trex600 10s
2x Ion-x, 1x15s DS, 1x15s SS
05-14-2008 07:44 AM
 
 
Griffo
Senior Heliman
Location: Canberra, Australia

Excellent report, thanks for posting Tom!

Where'd you get the HC Rigid?
05-14-2008 09:31 AM
 
 
TomC
Veteran
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

Thanks Griffo,

I got the HC Rigid and software/cable from Esprit Models. Also you will probably need a serial/USB cable. I've got a Targus cable which works fine on my XP PC.

Cheers,
TomC

CX2 2s
Logo10- 3D 5s
Trex600 10s
2x Ion-x, 1x15s DS, 1x15s SS
05-14-2008 10:32 AM
 
 
J2M
Senior Heliman
Location: UK

Really informative report. Thanks
05-14-2008 11:51 AM
 
 
fergus
Veteran
Location: Ireland

Great report thanks.

Did you find the tail gyro any way lacking? I have heard it is not up to all out 3d. EDIT: Disregard - I just read your reply in the other thread

Have you any video?

The 15s project is that Lipo?

Regards

Fergus

Regards

Fergus
05-17-2008 10:57 AM
 
 
TomC
Veteran
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

Fergus,

Ya, the tail gyro works great. Maybe not as good as a Fut611 (I don't really know, since I do not have one), but much better than a Fut401 imop. As I mentioned in another thread, the key was to dial in the HC tail settings to 100% heading hold (=10) and hard response (=10).

Sorry, I'm not into videos at this time. I'll try to get one of my mates to take some soon.

I wish I had a video from this weekend. I had a local hot-shot 3D flyer wring my flybarless 10s (2x 5s1p Evo25 3700 lipo packs) 90 sized (690mm radix blades) Ion-x out and it was amazing. Better than any 12s Ion-x (w/flybar) video I've seen to date. He said it had more power than any 90 nitro heli he's flown and much more agile than any 50 sized one.

I'll be going ahead with a 15s (3x5s packs) Ion-x setup again with a flybar first and then may look at trying it with HC later.

Right now I think that the HC rigid unit worked better on my 10s Trex600 and will probably move it back to this heli in the next couple of days. My gut feel is that the geometry of the Trex600 head and servo links is a bit tighter than the Ion-x and it feels a lot more solid (less twitchy) than the Ion-x. I might look at trying to modify the Ion-x linkages to see if I can improve on this later.

Cheers,
Tom C

CX2 2s
Logo10- 3D 5s
Trex600 10s
2x Ion-x, 1x15s DS, 1x15s SS
05-18-2008 08:43 AM
 
 
SMITHB72866
Senior Heliman
Location: FLORIDA

Very nice update Tom


Bobby
05-22-2008 03:17 AM
 
 
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