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Got Jet Fuel? Turbine Helicopters > handling jet a1
 
 
1275mini
Veteran
Location: Wirral North West U.K.

Guys just my self 20 Litres of jet a1 fuel this is the first time I have handled the stuff is there any thing I need to know about handling the fuel?

Barry
05-13-2008 08:46 PM
 
 
KIM JOHNS
Heliman
Location: CORNWALL

hi barry

well its best not to get the fuel on your hands, as it is a very thin
fuel and will soke deep in to your skin. and it as quite a strong
smell to it, also when you mix the turbine oil in with it thats not good to get on your skin, read the tin you will see why,
if you do get some on your hands i would not rub your eye for any reason as it stings like mad for a long time, if your going to have some food make sure you wash your hands well,
it is best to wear throw away latex gloves,

if you keep geting the fuel on your hands you could get dermatitis,
whitch is not nice,

so play safe, wear the gloves and have fun flying the heli

hope this helps cheers kim
05-13-2008 11:19 PM
 
 
1275mini
Veteran
Location: Wirral North West U.K.

thanks kim !

Barry
05-14-2008 07:16 AM
 
 
SergioR
Heliman
Location: Portugal

Also be careful with JetA1 transportation. A few drops on your car and you give it a new smell for some time.

Make sure you model is clean and do not leak. The tank vent must be closed when on your car/house.


SergioR
05-14-2008 09:50 AM
 
 
dazzaster
Key Veteran
Location: right next door to hell

not crucial but it helps
but its also a good idea to label your jerry can with a jet A1 sign and if possible display the sign in your car rear window or on the boot when carring it. this helps emergency crews to know what they are dealing with in an emergency.
darren

my dogs name is syndrome
05-14-2008 11:29 AM
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MattJen
Elite Veteran
Location: uk

if possible display the sign in your car rear window or on the boot when carring it. this helps emergency crews to know what they are dealing with in an emergency.


Where can you get these signs from ? I went into B and Q and Homebase i could get a sticker for compressed gas ( which you also need if you use the Butane Propane gas start, but i have not seen one for JET A1, - i suppose you would have to get a sticker that said Flamable liquids on board ?

With how things are tightening in the UK on Health and Safety my attitude is cover your Butt,and get one.

Not sure if it is a leagal requirement, but as you said all info helps in the event of an RTA or other form of accident.

Matt Jenner

I bought my Mother in law a chair for xmas but she wouldn't plug it in
05-14-2008 11:32 PM
 
 
human213
Senior Heliman
Location: malibu

I put a large plastic bag around

my ship at home, and you absolutely no smell at all in the house.

m

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.
05-15-2008 01:17 AM
 
 
dazzaster
Key Veteran
Location: right next door to hell

your local work safety supplies shop should be able to provide them for you. if not contact your loacal refueling depot and they should be able to help or point you to the nearest supplier

my dogs name is syndrome
05-15-2008 07:06 AM
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MattJen
Elite Veteran
Location: uk

thanks for info

Matt

I bought my Mother in law a chair for xmas but she wouldn't plug it in
05-15-2008 08:21 AM
 
 
ba board
Senior Heliman
Location: England

I think we are getting confused with the quantities that we are carrying here. There is no legal requirement to mark a vehicle that is carrying either turbine fuel or LPG, even when that vehicle is powered by LPG. It makes sense to mark the car etc. if you have an LPG system fittted but would you put a sticker on your car if you went to the local DIY store and bought fuel for your greenhouse heater? or meths for your camp stove?

We have enough legislation in the UK now, let's not start using self imposed rules!
05-15-2008 08:48 AM
 
 
MattJen
Elite Veteran
Location: uk

After speaking to a Friend of mine who has his own logistics company,

i asked him about carrying fuel etc,

He said unless you are continually carrying around large qtys in your car all the time you dont need to do anything.

However if you have gas cannisters then a sticker that says compressed gas on board would be a good recommendation.

If you are a builder/engineer who uses welding equip that runs on gas, so have cannisters then you do have to by law have a sticker on your van that shows you carry compressed gas as you are classed as commercial vehicle.

My Sister is a first Aid instructor and has done work for London Ambulance and for the MOD, so she has 4 oxygen tanks on the car all the time, she got pulled over the by the police for a random vehicle search and was told as she carries gas tanks she should have a sticker which i think is Green that says compressed gas cylinders on Board.

the forum below asks a good question, if you do indeed have these sticker on your car and are involved in an RTA, and Emergency services are called, and they realise you have a volatile load would it delay a rescue if you were trapped ? or would it advise them so they could preventative measures and act accordingly.

Copied from another forum

http://www.lro.com/forum/viewtopic....der=asc&start=0

He was told that he should display warning stickers on his vehicles (here comes the good/bad/interesting bit)...

ON THE OUTSIDE ON THE BOOT LID.
Anyway, this chap went to his local fire station and asked about having to display warning signs on his vehicles
Now then, the chap was told that they would rather treat a vehicle with the extra caution that there are cylinders on board, even if on an occassion there were not, than get a nasty shock and find out the other way with no warning stickers and the other set of consequences.

The reason he said the sticker should be on the outside is because, in a fire, a warining window sticker or suction cup type on the inside would melt far quicker than if it was stuck to the outside of the vehicle giving longer time to see and react to the warning information.


my personal attitude is, what the hell, it is only a hobby and it is easy to become bogged down in what is right what isnt etc,

it seems the advice is, if you carry all the time, then put up a sticker, if not you are under no obligation to do so.


My shed has 80 litres of JET A1 and my summer house 20 500ml cans of Butane propane mix cannisters, unsure of the house insurance policy, at least it would be a great firework display..

Matt

I bought my Mother in law a chair for xmas but she wouldn't plug it in
05-15-2008 01:03 PM
 
 
ba board
Senior Heliman
Location: England

In short, have a look at the HSE on line and that will tell you all you need to know. Don't get confused with Oxygen cylinders, welding gases or anything else. We are talking about small quantities of a hazardous substance that is carried for a short period of time.

Attendance by the emergency services to an RTC or similar have their own procedures, irrespective of any stickers that a car may carry. Bulk storage and transportation has its own set of rules (UKTHISS etc).
05-15-2008 01:27 PM
 
 
ba board
Senior Heliman
Location: England

Found this for info:


CLEANING THE KEROSENE SMELL OFF YOUR HANDS

Handling kerosene means some will get on your hands, and it has a distinctive aroma. Because kerosene is an penetrating oil, regular detergent often does not completely eliminate the aroma. Thick, cheap hair shampoo, or a women's facial cleanser, will dissolve the kerosene quickly and easily. Any lingering kerosene aroma can be removed by using the new "hand sanitizer," which is an emulsified solution of glycerin, alcohol and water. When your hands are still damp and rinsed from using the shampoo, put on some "hand sanitizer," rub your hands together, then rinse and dry, leaving your hands smelling nice and fresh. A bit of trouble, but necessary for those of us using kerosene heaters.
05-15-2008 01:52 PM
 
 
MattJen
Elite Veteran
Location: uk

useful info..

I bought my Mother in law a chair for xmas but she wouldn't plug it in
05-15-2008 02:17 PM
 
 
Havoc
Key Veteran
Location: Ky.

If you forget to plug the vent back on your Jersey Modeler fuel jug and then have the jet-A slosh onto your pants as you carry the jug back to your car and then think "ah its just a little fuel I'll change when I get home" then your ass will be red for a few days and you will write long run-on sentences about it.
05-16-2008 10:19 PM
 
 
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