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Flybarless Rotor Head Systems > Mikado V-Stabi vs Skookum SK360 vs Other flybarless systems
 
 
tcfrum323
Senior Heliman
Location: Los Angeles CA

I've been really interested in flybarless for a while now and I think the day will come soon for me. I wanted to find out more and so far from what I've read, flybarless is the future.

Is there anyone other there who has had the chance/money to try out the current flybarless systems availabe? From what I've gather, it looks like the V-Stabi has been working out well for many folks. The cost of the SK360 is affordable and I can still keep my spartan ds760 gyro yet I have not heard too much as far as experience concerning this new system. I have not seen much information on systems such as CSM Cyclock.

The positives I seen are less drag (equals less current draw), less mechanical parts (may/may not be crash friendly), stability, response, adjustments which could be endless, and I think flybarless helis look GREAT, no flybar paddles hitting my legs as I carry the heli out to the launchpad.

The only disadvantage I've seen which applies for some is the cost factor. Other than setup, I don't see any other negatives.

I'm just wondering which one.

Trex 600e, 6003d soon.
05-13-2008 04:48 PM
 
 
tcfrum323
Senior Heliman
Location: Los Angeles CA

I've decided to give the Mikado Vstabi a shot. It seem like the best option so far. I'm going to be converting my Trex 600E. Excited to see how a flybarless setup works, I can't wait to get started.

Trex 600e, 6003d soon.
05-19-2008 08:22 PM
 
 
X-Treme50
Senior Heliman
Location: Mequon ,WI

ProBar

I would wait for the probar system.........this will be the best one out there. I have seen this system in a stratus, "Like every weekend" lets just say it will take everything you throw at it and then some.

The size......not much bigger then the multigov.....and thats it, its very small.

Greg / Vibe 50
05-19-2008 08:49 PM
 
 
tcfrum323
Senior Heliman
Location: Los Angeles CA

I forgot to mention the Probar system. I've seen some demo flights and they look good. Got any news? If I remember right, I saw one of the first demo vids around a year ago.

Trex 600e, 6003d soon.
05-19-2008 11:30 PM
 
 
X-Treme50
Senior Heliman
Location: Mequon ,WI

ProBar

Carlo or Chris harmon and Eric are the ones developing it.......

Greg / Vibe 50
05-20-2008 12:07 AM
 
 
jbdww
Senior Heliman
Location: Round Rock, Texas

I am also interested in a flybarless system. I have been watching the SK360 progress and it looks like several are having issue, but they are also ironing them out. I would like to convert my 600N over to flybarless. I thought about Mikado, but it also comes with a gyro, and I already have the Solid G, which I am not going to change.

I heard one negative about a flybarless system and that while you are hovering, wind can push the heli around. So if you are doing FAI or F3C you may not like this, but other than that I also wonder what the negatives are if any.

When is the ProBar supposed to come out?
Joe

Skids Up
05-20-2008 10:51 PM
 
 
tcfrum323
Senior Heliman
Location: Los Angeles CA

I also had much interest in the SK360 since I have a spartan 760 gyro however the Vstabi system has seen more time and from what I've gathered, a reliable system.

As for the wind issue, I actually heard the opposite. Flybarless helis from what I understand handle wind better due to the lack of a flybar which wind greatly affects. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's my understanding.

Trex 600e, 6003d soon.
05-20-2008 11:07 PM
 
 
jbdww
Senior Heliman
Location: Round Rock, Texas

I could be wrong on the wind thing. From what I heard is the Flybarless system works like heading hold for your cyclic, so it keeps your heli level, but it does not keep the wind from pushing it around.
Now I did see on another site thread where they were arguing about doing consistent piro flips with a flybarless system.

Skids Up
05-20-2008 11:21 PM
 
 
jakeg1999
Senior Heliman
Location: Bonita, CA

Mine hovers about 10 times better with the vbar...in fact yesterday it got very windy where I fly, and my Trex 500vbar handled the wind 10 times better than my 600N.....my only advice is Don't get one....because if you do....you will want one for every heli....I had heard this before, and must say that it's true...you won't want to fly one with a flybar again....and your flying skills, or at least mine have, improve significantly....although very pricey, this is by far the best upgrade I have done to any heli...now I just got to finish installing one in my 600E...and find the funds for one for my 600N....and then sell those gyros....this is an awesome upgrade...
05-21-2008 12:19 AM
 
 
jbdww
Senior Heliman
Location: Round Rock, Texas

So the question is now which system to use.

Skids Up
05-21-2008 04:06 AM
 
 
jakeg1999
Senior Heliman
Location: Bonita, CA

1 vote here for Vbar....
05-21-2008 06:18 AM
 
 
LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

Vbar, it's like flying a heli by mind control...
05-21-2008 06:37 AM
 
 
hams
Heliman
Location: bellville, oh - usa

the only two i can compare are the sk360 and the v-bar. i have the sk360 on my trex 600e and the vbar on my logo6003d. very hard to say which one is better because they are on different helis, but the v-bar seems to be more tolerant of vibs and is way more programmable(more parameters can be fine tuned).

i had some teething problems with the sk360 but now with the new firmware update and my knowledge of flybarless operation has grown i would say it hits the spot when you dont want to pay for a 3-axis system .

the tail does hold very well with the v-bar, much better than any other gyro i have owned.
05-21-2008 10:46 AM
 
 
hams
Heliman
Location: bellville, oh - usa

also you cannot beat skookums cust. service. top notch even on sundays.
05-21-2008 10:48 AM
 
 
tcfrum323
Senior Heliman
Location: Los Angeles CA

It seems like the initial issues with the SK360 have been somewhat sorted out, though it may still be early to conclude. I wonder how many folks have got a decent setup with the SK360 with no problems.

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also you cannot beat skookums cust. service. top notch even on sundays.

Wow Sundays. For a new company, that really says something.

Trex 600e, 6003d soon.
05-21-2008 12:44 PM
 
 
jbdww
Senior Heliman
Location: Round Rock, Texas

Has anyone tried the SK360 on a TRex 600N?
Joe

Skids Up
05-21-2008 06:08 PM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

Vbar

I haven't tried any other flybarless systems myself except for vbar ....I have been so impressed with the Mikado system that I see no reason to try anything else...

and besides...what are you really saving by going with a new 2 axis system? If you remove the cost of the tail gyro and invest in a mikado vbar then you're really only talking about a 200$ or less difference...and personally...I find GREAT value in having the tail gyro integrated into the system...it makes adjusting and tweaking the system even easier..

but that's just my opinion..

here are my 4 flying vbar machines

05-21-2008 07:45 PM
 
 
hams
Heliman
Location: bellville, oh - usa

yes the vbar does include a integrated tail gyro which is great. where the sk360 shines is when someone wants to convert their heli to flybarless and still wants to keep costs down by keeping as much of their original equipment as possible (ex. the tail gyro). now with that being said i am definetly liking the vbar better. but as the saying goes you get what u pay for.
05-22-2008 12:40 AM
 
 
jbdww
Senior Heliman
Location: Round Rock, Texas

The problem I have is that I just invested into the Solid-G gyro and love it, so I do not need the extra gyro. So I am still sitting on the fence on which system to use. I am do know that I want to go flybarless.
Joe

Skids Up
05-22-2008 01:34 AM
 
 
hams
Heliman
Location: bellville, oh - usa

well if you still want to use your solid-g get the sk360. if you want to use the solid - g on another heli then go vbar and then you will free up a gyro for another heli. but in reality once you go flybarless you wont go back. you will look at flybars in a whole different way.
05-22-2008 01:41 AM
 
 
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