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RotorRage
Veteran
Location: Lake Charles, La.

I wonder if since the hawk pro has standard mixing you could make it flybarless by adding a couple cheap gyros to they cyclics. Of course they would have to be positioned correctly but still could be be fun to try..

Team Flyanydamnthing
05-13-2008 01:52 PM
 
 
jschenck
Elite Veteran
Location: La Vista, NE.

Yes! Take a look at some of the Raptor Flybarless threads, it looks like it'd be pretty easy. Taking the FB out of a 30 would be a great idea I think. No paddles to drag through the air. though I have no experience with FB-less heli yet I have done some reading on it and plan on trying it perhaps after I get my current projects up and running smooth.

...yep...
05-13-2008 07:34 PM
 
 
Ray Fernandez
Elite Veteran
Location: Guam (U.S.A.)

It would be interesting with a flybarless configuration. I wonder what it'll cost if (when) Century starts to produce a version??

Ray Fernandez - GUAM
05-13-2008 08:21 PM
 
 
thelane
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton, Alberta Canada

nobody is producing a flybarless heli only the module for the configuration (vbar by Mikado), I wish MORE manufacturers would come out with something because ALL heli pilots have the interest.

Problem with the vbar is the cost... it's extremely expensive. If Align or TT came out with that technology at half the cost, they would OWN the market man.

JR Vibe 50, Vibe 90 and DX7
05-13-2008 08:41 PM
 
 
RotorRage
Veteran
Location: Lake Charles, La.

I have a hawk with toki40, metal head, 6mm shaft and all that sittting on a shelf. Maybe when i finish fixing my 90 i'll look into it.

Team Flyanydamnthing
05-13-2008 10:35 PM
 
 
Blade_Master1
Key Veteran
Location: Canada

It would be easy to do with the Hawk pro and I plan on trying it myself this summer.

Apparently from what I've read and videos I saw you don't need to put any gyros on the cyclic just use expo and D/R. 40% expo and lower your D/R to about 75%.

I do have a couple of cheap HH gyros from align that I plan on using however.


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JM2C's :)
05-14-2008 03:47 AM
 
 
jschenck
Elite Veteran
Location: La Vista, NE.

From what I've read you don't want to run your cyclic gyro's in HH mode, similar to putting a gyro on the rudder of an airplane. Read up on the FB-less conversions that people have done.

http://airwolfrc.com/NFB.html

...yep...
05-14-2008 03:58 AM
 
 
thelane
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton, Alberta Canada

now this is exciting. Someone do this with a Hawk so I can do it
or tell me how to do it. I don't fly 3D... would that make it easier to setup I wonder.

JR Vibe 50, Vibe 90 and DX7
05-14-2008 04:34 AM
 
 
J Kofoed
Senior Heliman
Location: Denmark

I have seen SK360 in action, and I am going to get one in the near future for my Raven 50.
Have a look at: http://www.skookumrobotics.com/
05-14-2008 06:47 AM
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thelane
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton, Alberta Canada

Very nice!
why is this not more widely known? Maybe it is and I just missed the boat. I like the price. Their site says it has not been tested on a nitro heli. How would that make a difference I wonder?

Anyways, looks very promising.

JR Vibe 50, Vibe 90 and DX7
05-14-2008 07:56 AM
 
 
J Kofoed
Senior Heliman
Location: Denmark

I did see it in action on a T-rex 600N doing hard 3D, and it looks very convincing.
05-14-2008 09:36 AM
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Blade_Master1
Key Veteran
Location: Canada

Quote 
What Models of Helicopter can I use it on?

The gyro has seen hundreds of flights on helis such as the Trex-450, X-400, Logo 500, Evo 50 (nitro), Trex e600 and even a Blade CP so far, with good to excellent results. A wide variety of rotor head setups and blades have been tried, and while some work better than others, the gyro is fairly tolerant. However, it has not been tested on very many Nitro helicopters as of yet.

from their FAQ's page


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JM2C's :)
05-14-2008 12:36 PM
 
 
thelane
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton, Alberta Canada

LOL... well, right on the front page it says this



JR Vibe 50, Vibe 90 and DX7
05-14-2008 01:37 PM
 
 
SuperSixTwo
Senior Heliman
Location: Lockwood, NV

Ok, so why again do we need the electronic box? Can we not just remove the flybar/ mixing and use an adjustable phasing block (aka follower) CN1108?
And i tried a GYA 351 dual axis HH mode gyro on the cyclic. WAY BAD IDEA.
05-14-2008 05:36 PM
 
 
RotorRage
Veteran
Location: Lake Charles, La.

It seems to me a couple cheap a$$ rate gyros would act almost like a flyber. Only you would be able to control the how stable it is just by adjusting the gain.

Team Flyanydamnthing
05-14-2008 08:06 PM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

you guys are nuts...lol..

This is an old subject that has been tested quite a few times...while some have suceeded ...MANY have failed...if going flybarless was as simple as simply ripping the flybar and parts off then you'd see ALOT more people doing it don't you think...

as far as slapping a couple cheap gyros on there...good luck and let us know how that turns out

I have read many posts from people who have tried that ...if you plan to fly around and do NO 3d then it may work,,,....but try doing hard 3d and piro flipping moves and you'll understand why we have flybarless electronic stabilization systems..

Vbar is CHEAP when you consider the overall cost of helis these days...what's an extra 500$ for a vbar when you already have $2500-$3500 already invested into a machine

My feeling is that if you want to go flybarless you just need to suck it up and do it right ...spend the money on a proven system that will not put you or your machine in jeopardy...

Just my opinion though
05-14-2008 09:01 PM
 
 
SuperSixTwo
Senior Heliman
Location: Lockwood, NV

I agree that "if it were easy more people would do it" statement, i just wanna know the whys about it.
05-15-2008 03:06 AM
 
 
thelane
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton, Alberta Canada

Yes, good point

JR Vibe 50, Vibe 90 and DX7
05-15-2008 03:09 AM
 
 
Furious Predator
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

someone on here recently posted a century swift converted to being flybarless, with no additional parts, basically just took a crap load of links off the head. i dont think he used any additional gyro systems.

he even posted a video of it flying.
im sure if it can be done on the swift, it can be easily done on a hawk.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
Cratering the earth one heli at a time
05-15-2008 03:17 AM
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Furious Predator
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

found the thread.

http://www.runryder.net/helicopter/t408215p1/

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
Cratering the earth one heli at a time
05-15-2008 03:21 AM
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