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Main Discussion > Hovering, am I retarded?
 
 
Papa Sal
Heliman
Location: Reno, Nevada- USA

[quote]yes, dont give up, to truly hover you need to make it a 'motor skill' where the signels just bypass the brain and you dont even think(kinda like breathing, or blinking) but enable for this to happen you have to do ALOT of practice!
BREATH!!BLINK!!Adjust your glasses b-4 starting, all this and one year on sim, and Helimax450XS even I can hover..... and almost total lateral left and right! WOW what fun keep at it bro! Papa Sal
05-10-2008 07:15 PM
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

Dood:
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hell, I cant hover nose in upright to save my life.

me neither... well actually I can but avoid it because I mix things up with inverted. The sad part is that I don't have any problems inverted regardless of position rotfl

cub2000:

I spent 8 months so that must make me brain dead?

Tony


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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."
05-10-2008 09:37 PM
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Way2slow
Veteran
Location: Jeffersonville Ga

Depends on how close you're trying to hold it. I thought I was having a hard time maintaining a controlled hover until I was at a hobby shop yesterday that had RealFlight 4.0 running on a computer. I've never used RealFlight so I played with it for a few minutes, then asked the guy at the hobby shop to hover it. He went to a hover practice screen with a big circle. He has been flying over 15 years and could not keep it in that circle, said he didn't think it was possible, I'm talking something that looks 10 ft in diameter compared to real life. After he walked off, I hovered it for about three minutes, nose in, both sides and tail in, hardly ever getting much of the yellow line they had in the middle of the circle.

Until then, I thought my hovering sucked but if a person that's been flying for 15 years couldn't hold it in that circle, I decided my hovering wasn't no where near as bad as I thought. I've always heard you were suppose to be able to hold one so it never moves more than one skid width in any direction and have tried to keep it so it doesn't move for at least one minute. Guess I've been expecting too much.
05-10-2008 09:47 PM
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

^^^

Right on. It really depends on what you consider hovering. Having the heli dead spot for a considerable amount of time is not realistic. Even once you master this, slight oscilations are rather normal. You should be able to keep it at least in a 2 x 2 feet box fairly easy at the field (consider wind, thermics, ground effect etc)

Tony


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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."
05-10-2008 09:51 PM
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speeddemon370
Veteran
Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

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me neither... well actually I can but avoid it because I mix things up with inverted. The sad part is that I don't have any problems inverted regardless of position rotfl

You 2 just made my day. I thought I was the only one and I was a bit embarrassed to say anything. It seemed like a pretty stupid quirk to me. Ahhhh, quirky loves company. Lol.

Back to the topic at hand, IMO try not to do all the expo and sensitivity and stuff. Learn how to fly it the normal way and then cater it to your preferance. If you can't fly you don't know what that preferance is so leave it be and train your hands, not the heli. If you dumb down your heli too much you're gonna develop alot of bad habbits in the long run. Keep it simple and stick with it! You'll be thankful later.

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk
05-10-2008 11:26 PM
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GyroFreak
Key Veteran
Location: Florida ... 28° 50' N 81° 16' W

Do small corrections on the stick, very small when hoovering. Once an input starts to take remember you got to re correct for that last input, a small amount.
My grandson was banging the sticks around like it was a game boy. When I got him to make small corrections he was hoovering in no time. (In fact I was jealous how quick he learned.)

Support bacteria. They're the only culture some people have. !
05-10-2008 11:36 PM
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

It may be embarrassing but think of it like this:

You can do the maneuvers you practice better than those you dont. Period.

I had a tuff time learning backwards inverted. This made me practice it every flight for at least 3 minutes.

Result? I can fly better inverted backwards in any angle that upright forward. Why? Because I basically neglected everything I learned at the beginning (figure 8s, nose in - landing included) in prol of mastering this particular orientation and other acrobatic maneuvers.

Tony


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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."
05-10-2008 11:38 PM
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Dood
Elite Veteran
Location: America's Dairyland

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You 2 just made my day. I thought I was the only one and I was a bit embarrassed to say anything.

I'm not embarrassed.
Guess what? I'm not some 3D pro, but you'll find a lot of guys here aren't either, but most want everyone to believe they are.

Aside from not being able to hover nose in for more than 10 seconds without it getting away from me, I can't maintain a constant altitude on a funnel, I can't chaos or piro flip because I tend to want to stir the sticks randomly rather than paying attention to the helicopter is doing.

Other than that, I fly fine. I'm decent at what I do, as it is controlled and deliberate and for the most part, somewhat precise. I'm not big in 3D. I don't aspire to be a competition level 3D pro.
I'd break too many parts that way.

I call it 'aggressive sport' Which you'd find that is how MOST guys fly at the field. There is more to this hobby than trying to become the next Henry Caldwell or Marcus Kim, or them 2 brothers in Las Vegas that are supposedly pretty good (I forget their names )

Don't ever be embarrassed. Get out there, fly your helicopter(s) and enjoy yourself. Thats all I do.

Im not Mr. Lebowski, YOU'RE Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dood! So thats what you'll call me
05-11-2008 12:28 AM
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helibandit
Senior Heliman
Location: Jacksonville, North Carolina - United States

yes you are infact retarded.. the helicopter should pretty much hover by itself.. you should definitly find a new hobby

The only time you can have too much fuel is when your on fire
05-11-2008 12:54 AM
 
 
Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

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Hovering, am I retarted?
I don't know what does retarted mean?
05-11-2008 01:12 AM
 
 
Way2slow
Veteran
Location: Jeffersonville Ga

Retarded: Paying bunches of money for something that does not have wings and then spend hours, days and months trying to figure out how to make it fly.

I think we all fit that one.

One suggestion. If you are moving the sticks, you are probably giving it way too much input. It's more like a slight pressure on the sticks. Also, if you're waiting until the heli moves to make a correction, you are already way behind on your input.
05-11-2008 05:30 AM
 
 
RcNutTz
Senior Heliman
Location: Chicago Illinois USA

I spend a lot of time with the sims hovering, and I still have a hard time so if your Retarded I hate to know what I am?

this is my second season with heli's and if you see my forward flight you might dive for cover but, atleast now I'm not diving for cover

stick with it and relax and enjoy it I'm not very good at this but I enjoy it as much as a pro

good luck!

I fly (I smile) I crash (I'm sad) I repair & Fly (I smile) Wife sees credit Card bill (I run )
05-11-2008 06:05 AM
 
 
Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

[quote]Retarded: Paying bunches of money for something that does not have wings and then spend hours, days and months trying to figure out how to make it fly.

Yes be he had miss spelt retarded t was retarted so I just wanted to know what retarted meant so I could answer him now I see this morning the topic has been edited to be spelt right. Now as for being retarded could be. But I still want to know what retarted means.
05-11-2008 02:38 PM
 
 
Drunk Monk
rrProfessor
Location: Preston, UK

According to urbandictionary.com

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1. a retarted


noun: term for someone who is a stupid moron; akin to a bifkin eater poomonger.

man that kid is such a retarted.


Have to say I'm still non the wiser


Stephen

I only open my mouth to change feet.....
05-11-2008 02:43 PM
 
 
Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

LOL drunk monk
05-11-2008 02:45 PM
 
 
Papa Sal
Heliman
Location: Reno, Nevada- USA

?????

what does LOL mean
05-16-2008 06:35 PM
 
 
nmrs
Senior Heliman
Location: Austin, TX

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what does LOL mean

Laugh out Loud

http://www.webopedia.com/quick_ref/...breviations.asp
05-16-2008 06:41 PM
 
 
Papa Sal
Heliman
Location: Reno, Nevada- USA

Thanks Bro...I must be a re-tard-2
05-16-2008 07:01 PM
 
 
Papa Sal
Heliman
Location: Reno, Nevada- USA

RETARDED: Famous last words " Look Honey"!
05-16-2008 08:17 PM
 
 
Eleven_Bravo
Senior Heliman
Location: Modesto,CA

Here is a few facts about the sim you will experience as I'm sure most of us have.

The toilet bowl effect, you will get the heli going around and around in a seemingly unstoppable circle this will anger you until your eyes are red and you can see the vein in your neck pulse out of your side vision. Another note smaller helis seem to do this worse you will want to pour gas on them and set them on fire.

That was my first three months. For my next six months I complained to everybody who would listen how the thing I hated most about G3 was how twitchy the helicopters were. I didn't know the difference between the natural drift of a heli and it being out of trim so I kept it out of trim constantly and was fighting that all the time. In my mind they were too fast on the cyclics. Now that I have some experience every heli that I fly I have made a custom that has faster cyclic speed because they had become so boringly slow on the cyclic.

You will be best at what you practice most so do not skip anything. I started practicing inverted before I had learned nose in properly and still to this day I cannot properly hold a solid nose in hover. All four of my inverted hover orientations are better than my nose in upright. Don't forget your simple basics or they will bite you in your axx later.

One of the main reasons I fly helis is the challenge. I have give up on many other hobbies in the time it took me to learn to hover a r/c heli because the challenge just wasn't there. Its probaly going to take me 3 to 5 years just to be a half descent pilot then 5 or more years after that to get close to pro level. It comes with time you must be patient.

Its not a maneuver until your looking down on it. ~Jason Krause~ Phoenix FF 08
05-16-2008 08:23 PM
 
 
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