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KarbonBird
Key Veteran
Location: Australia

I found this page very interesting - the use of AP for feature movies. The "making of" Van Helsing, James Bond and Harry Potter actually showed the heli in action.

http://www.flying-cam.com/movies.php
05-09-2008 10:45 PM
 
 
Griffo
Senior Heliman
Location: Canberra, Australia

All i can say is WOW!

They are obviously carrying some serious prosumer camera gear in that thing. How would something like the HC-5 or HC-9 compare?
05-13-2008 01:42 AM
 
 
jascamera
Veteran
Location: brooklyn, NY

They are shooting 35mm film cameras for moives and Pro HD cameras like HVX200. HC5 is like a point and shoot compare to SLR(Pro HD) and Meium format(35mm}in still photos.. Only 35mm can be use with movie. HC5 are the bear limit for Television.
05-13-2008 02:26 AM
 
 
aambrose
Elite Veteran
Location: Pana, IL

I wonder what tail servo/gyro combo they're using!

Sorry....couldn't resist.


Tony
05-13-2008 06:53 PM
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Vortex Aerial
Senior Heliman
Location: Huntington Beach Ca

Im so jealous i could cry
05-13-2008 07:45 PM
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KarbonBird
Key Veteran
Location: Australia

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I wonder what tail servo/gyro combo they're using!

Not a 401/9254 hopefully!!!!
05-13-2008 10:37 PM
 
 
BULLSEYE
Heliman
Location: Texas

Are they still using glow engines?
05-14-2008 01:33 PM
 
 
aambrose
Elite Veteran
Location: Pana, IL

How come all of a sudden 401/9254 has become the "forbidden combination"? I was under the impression that a lot of guys have been using it for a few years without any problems.


Tony
05-14-2008 03:31 PM
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KarbonBird
Key Veteran
Location: Australia

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How come all of a sudden 401/9254 has become the "forbidden combination"?

I don't think it has really - some have suggested it works fine for them, whilst others have highlighted issues with it. I guess it gives you about a 50% chance of something going wrong (based on anecdotal feedback) so in playing it safe, other options are being explored. My 9254 has been behaving erratically - vibrating uncontrollably on occasions too which is a worry.

I also believe that the gyro and/or the 9254 may have contributed, or even caused my earlier crash. Now with all the camera gear, KS-2 and the GSR I would rather play it safe and get a really good combo for the tail. Up until now it has been the weakest link on the heli.
05-14-2008 04:38 PM
 
 
vrwired
Senior Heliman
Location: Boulder County, CO

yeah.. flying cam is using glow I'm pretty sure.. is it because it puts out less vibration than a gasser? More smoke though.. and in feature films like those I would think that any smoke would be a bad thing.. hmmmmmm..

But anyways... The technology they have running for the "Pilot Relay" is just to cool.. They can't be using 2.4 for this.. they are flying FM right? I don't think you could Pilot Relay with the 2.4 technology...

I heard somewhere that they are running Vario heads?

I love the Pilot Relay concept.. that right there shows that they really got their Sh1t together.

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05-14-2008 04:48 PM
 
 
BULLSEYE
Heliman
Location: Texas

Check out this video:

http://movieserver.gmsinc.com/GMS_HD_UAV_WM9.htm

You may want to copy to your hard drive. It's a big one!!
05-14-2008 05:39 PM
 
 
daytonabeach
Senior Heliman
Location: Oslo, Norway

This company was founded by a frenchman in 1979, they charge 10 000 a day, theyve also received Oscar for special equipment

As far as i know, this is the only real professional AP video RC company in the world that makes a fortune out of it

Never argue with an idiot, he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience...
05-14-2008 06:00 PM
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aambrose
Elite Veteran
Location: Pana, IL

Rossco,
I agree -- if the servo is behaving erratically, then replace it. What symptoms did your GSR have prior to and while going down? What servos were you using for the rest of the heli?


Tony
05-14-2008 06:06 PM
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trackhead
Veteran
Location: utah

There's no big secret to Flying Cam's success.......It's not witchcraft or voodoo.

Here's my take on their success.

1. They've been around forever, and are established in the industry.
2. They shoot well thought out scenes, developed by professionals, with the perfect conditions and multi-takes.
3. They work in a budget that allows and demands everything be perfect, and set up right.
4. They have SUPERIOR editing done of their footage, with perfect color correction, perfect audio, actors, stages, etcs.
5. They put Hollywood magic into their work, via the production houses magic wand.

Most everyone else is a one or two man show.......no pro editors, no perfect scenes with paid actors and plenty of time, limited or no vision of what will make for good subject matter.

They are good, but their raw product out of the camera is likely not much different that what is being accomplished by many, many others.
05-14-2008 06:30 PM
 
 
BULLSEYE
Heliman
Location: Texas

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They are good, but their raw product out of the camera is likely not much different that what is being accomplished by many, many others.

I was thinking the same thing. DJ's, chris10362, and your video seemed more stable than Fly-Cam's raw video.
05-14-2008 07:09 PM
 
 
aambrose
Elite Veteran
Location: Pana, IL

They read RR!


Tony
05-14-2008 07:44 PM
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Vortex Aerial
Senior Heliman
Location: Huntington Beach Ca

We watched all there vids on there web site over and over. With the exception of the relay procedure (probably shut down one PCM Tx as another comes on) and the shear speed the machine can reach, im confident most if not all of there shots can be duplicated by our current system (wich now pans as well as tilts). Ive read that the Flying Cam camera operator has control over the heli rudder, but id guess that the pilot can override this if he chooses to do so.
They probably fly a CARVEC or similar as well not to mention there pilots can really fly the snot out of the machine. I know one of the old Copter Vision pilots applied with FC and got turned down flat just recently, and this guy, although haveing limited contest experience, flys very very well in all orientations. He flew for CV for almost 10 years. Point is they dont have to "settle" on any front at this point. Mainly because, as TH stated, theyve been around forever.
05-14-2008 07:45 PM
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tabbytabb
Elite Veteran
Location: seattle

I am sure it can, and I agree with everyone else regarding the quality of their work relative to other producing similar quality.

The difference is they are carrying a 35mm film camera and some heavy prime lenses along with video assist, remote stop/start of film etc in some of the most inhospitable environments in the world.

I have the utmost respect for these guys. It is one thing to produce great video on your terms in a field next to your house (not nocking anyone as my video at my own house is hit and miss ) but to go out and integrate with a set and crew and reliably produce fantastic footage on the directors terms is something that should be commended.

Tabb
05-14-2008 07:51 PM
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trackhead
Veteran
Location: utah

It's 15% heli and pilot, and 85% content...................

Or maybe 50/50.

Content always holds the utmost importance.
05-14-2008 08:08 PM
 
 
KarbonBird
Key Veteran
Location: Australia

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What symptoms did your GSR have prior to and while going down? What servos were you using for the rest of the heli?

Tony - The servo locked to one side and would not respond causing the heli to spin faster and faster till it went into the ground. Similar to that which was experienced by another recent poster here. Fortunately I wasn't carrying equipment at the time as I was running the heli in so had wooden ballast instead.

I'm using 3 x JR 8311 and JR 8231 on Throttle.
05-14-2008 10:46 PM
 
 
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