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Main Discussion > Nitro v. Electric .30/.50 size - just gathering ideas
 
 
gologo
Senior Heliman
Location: Sedalia, Mo USA

Matt,

Have you looked at the Mikado line at all? The 500/600 is the newest
out, of course, and very nice. But, the Logo 10 is still a very sweet,
smooth flying heli that you can make as mild or wild as you'd like,and
on smaller, cheaper packs. And A123's, too. I think it is about the
size of the Swift, sub-30. And, on the L10, parts prices have came way
down from what they used to be, good for stocking up. As far as the Logo 500, that would certainly put you in the true 30-size electric class.

I am leaning toward 'electric only' for most of the same reasons you are
and the only real downsides to electric, ( battery costs and flight
time) I really feel are only going to get better and better. The A123's look really good, especially for what you said you want to be doing.

All this said, this is the first time I've been ALL electric, and do
feel some nitro 'withdrawals' occasionally.
05-09-2008 05:29 AM
 
 
jester4
Veteran
Location: Brampton, Ontario

I think the Hawk should get more credit than it does. It's lightweight, affordable, and stable. When you are ready, put on the carbons and bump up the HS and you now have a 3D bird. I've done plenty of light 3D on an OS32, with lots of flight time.

I know everyone suggests going to a 50 right away, but I can never understand why? There's nothing wrong with the 30 class, and I personally never had the need to upgrade like others say you will (Although the need to own more than 1 heli is stronger). Power is fine with the new 37's, and crash costs are lower as well as operating costs.

NO SOUP FOR YOU!!
05-09-2008 01:49 PM
 
 
JAGNZ
Elite Veteran
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

The reason is that MOST pilots want more power out of their 30's in very short order. So save the hassle and go 50 right away. For long flight times, 30's are great. For hard 3D - 50's are where it's at.

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz
05-09-2008 02:29 PM
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Kentoby
Heliman
Location: Seattle area

Yes, go with the TREX 600 electric. Pop in a battery and fly...

I have a Raptor 30 and a TREX 600 electric and love them both.
The Raptor has the advantage of long flight times and once you get it tuned, it's pretty much hassle free. The electric TREX is SUPER convenient; install the battery and fly. The stock Align 4400 battery lasts for about 10 minuites if you just cruise around, less if you 3D. The Raptor with the .32 motor will fly for about 20 minuites, less with the larger motor of course. And of course as with any heli, you have to maintain them. The nitro will require a little bit more maintainance and the extra starting equipment but the longer flight time offsets that no problem.

Either way there is no wrong answer, just ditch those little 450's!!!
05-09-2008 02:46 PM
 
 
Matt Smith
Heliman
Location: Newton, NJ

Hey guys,

Thanks for keeping it civil and giving me more food for thought! It's nice to hear the experiences of others on here. I tend to suffer from "analysis paralysis" as we called it in the design studio in college, and start overthinking and second-guessing myself.

I think I'm going to stick to the .30/550 and smaller sizes for now, just because I like that size range. Now to make up my mind about E v. G...
05-09-2008 03:18 PM
 
 
concept1
Key Veteran
Location: Youngstown, OH

this is a tough choice, Nitro vrs Elect. but once you decide on which then it is easy, if you go nitro, get a 50, really any 50 will do! if you go the electric route then go with either a 450 500 or 550! the 450's Trex and mini titan really have a lot to offer, small "cheap" a average crash will run $10-30 and batteries are only around $65. then their is the 500 and 550 class, personally I like this class of heli, they have awesome power to weight, they have some size to them, but you do loose the "cheap" crash cost, now you are in the 30-100 range and could easily exceed $200 depending if you are running woodies or carbons. it is pretty hard to hit the $50 mark on a 450. But if you go with the 550 class like the Swift or Hurricane you get a LARGER heli for really the same price if not less then the 500 class and you have the option to run the A123 cells which really work well in this size heli and they also work well in many planks! the cells are cheap and are very simple to use, but flight time will be close to 5 minutes of hard flying, or up to 7-10 of easy flight. the 600 sized electrics are awesome but costly! and I don't feel you gain much unless you are a real avid or extreem pilot.

I switched to all electrics over a yr ago and will not look back! for me most of my flying is at home although I do go to our club field, but I can grab a heli and put some packs in my pocket and go fly. with the nitro you do need the flight box, fuel starter etc, and when your done you need to do the cleanning, now for many guys they enjoy this part, for me I am on a real time crunch,and I may only have 10 minutes, for a glow that isn't enough time, but with a electric, i can get 2 5 minute flights in drop the heli back on the bench and when the kids go to bed i can charge the packs! the other reason i went to electrics was because of my time schedual and the lowsy weather here in NE OHIO, I typically had to do a lot of engine tuning since it could have been 2 weeks or more since my last flight, and more then likely the weather is much different! heck even on a daily basis the temps and humidity changes here. with electics it always flies the same as it did before!
with that being said i do still like the nitro's but for me Electrics fit me better! I am flying a modified Hurricane 550 and this is by far my favorite heli I have had in the past 20 years! I get 4.5 - 5 minute flights with very good performance so i can handle the time just fine with multiple packs.
05-09-2008 06:43 PM
 
 
aerton
Senior Heliman
Location: Longueuil, QC, Canada

I started with swift 16 and 4s setup, wood blades. It flew very well. Even though I upgraded later on to 8s and then more and more, I have a feeling that I would be fine with 4s by now.
And you don't need 20C, 10C rating is sufficient. Overall it was cheaper for me than with T-Rex 450, which I didn't like at all.
05-09-2008 10:52 PM
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rexxigpilot
Senior Heliman
Location: florida

If your whole issue is about cost, the bottom line is this: all LiPo's are problematic! The LiPo technology is too immature. Failure from puffing and internal resistance is far too common. Maybe 1 in 10 LiPo's last the manufacturer's claimed 200 -250 cycles. You can expect about 75-100 cycles on average, depending on many variables. This makes nitro/gas the logical choice for RC models if cost is the consideration. Someday batteries will be good enough to provide propulsion energy at a reasonable price. But that day has yet to come. For now, consider them experimental only. The A123 batteries look good compared to LiPo. But they lack the energy density of LiPo. I don't consider them much too better than Ni battery technology in this regard.
05-09-2008 11:24 PM
 
 
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