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Senator83
New Heliman
Location: Bakersfield CA

Hello All, im new to Runryder, if this is a duplicate thread i apologize. I searched for the topic but didn't find any

I currently have a Blade 400 (read that long thread) and A Very old Century Hawk 2,

bought the blade new, but the hawk was a gift from a friend. found it in a house attic and gave it to me. both fly great, the blade is very shakey, due to crashes im guessing.

the hawk is a good flier too, have to use a diffrent radio, and the collective mixing is mechanical.

I am looking for a more stable Nitro Heli, I want to get a .50 size but not sure what to get. I have been doing some research and come across several canidates.

I want a kit to build, but and ARF will work.

i have found the Trex 600n, several variations, 3d, 3d pro.. etc
i found an Xtreme 50
JR Vibe 50
or another century hawk pro 50.

the century is cheapest, but that scares me... cannot find parts for the one i have.

the trex sounds really good, but is it too advanced? can it be detuned? I cannot do 3d yet, but hope to be able to very soon.

I was really looking at the Xtreme 50, looks really nice, and seems to have good reviews. Can anybody throw their input at me?

I am looking to buy a JR X9303 2.4 Heli TX, and hopefully use it for the hawk2, B400, and my airplane.

Any help or tips would be greatly appreciated. like what engine to get, a good gyro... etc. (was looking at the JR G7703d gyro)

thanks so much,

Jason
05-08-2008 03:17 AM
 
 
crny1
Heliman
Location: chicago (during the week) champaign (weekends)

You are on the right track!!

Xtreme 50 all the way! With the programable head you can set it to be very stable and smooth for you at first then you can start changing head settings and make the cyclics faster as you progress. It is a VERY WELL built machine and will take you from Mild to WILD!! I absolutly cant say enough good things about these machines. Also the parts for them are cheap and come in packs of 2's like the align stuff if i remember correctly. AND customer service is second to none with Rusty at RJXofusa. You can call him anytime for help and is VERY eager to help with any problems or questions. Top notch guy!!!!
Run a hyper 50 with the rjx pipe....great price and works as good if not BETTER than alot of the high dollar pipes out there. I run the logitech 6100 for a gyro but even a good ol 401 would work great. Sorry but i cant give an opinion on a JR gyro as i have never used one. I have one second hand from a deal i did but have never used it. Im sure all the Align freaks will chime in soon and try to persuade you to a align product but besides the 450 trex i have...........i would never own another trex. just my 2 cents. (flame suit on) Good luck in what ever way you decide to go!!!




Wes

You just cant fix "STUPID"!
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05-08-2008 04:07 AM
 
 
the Wasp
rrProfessor
Location: Vt

OK so because you know something about the Century's mechanics, and because it's the best 50 in the world, buy the Century Raven, $300 is a good deal with the $90 blades included in the kit, think about how your Hawk would fly with a larger disk and with about $200 in upgrades plus those $90 blades,,, then keep your Hawk for Parts or puttering around,,

don't worry about the parts, just buy straight from Century/Heli World, I live much farther away from Century than you do and that's what I do..

Jim
the wife wont let me get a Monkey !!,,, damm, can't have anything
05-08-2008 04:18 AM
 
 
Zman9545
Senior Heliman
Location: CA, USA

Raven 50

Jason,

When a question like this is asked, you’re going to get an earful because it really boils down to personal preference. An unbiased answer would be ideal but hard to come by. Anyway, I second the Raven 50. It is by far the best bang for your buck. It would only make sense in your case because you currently own a hawk with no complaints. The Raven is no joke. It can handle what you throw at it.

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Any help or tips would be greatly appreciated. like what engine to get, a good gyro... etc.

In addition, not to make it more complicated than it already is… reconsider Futaba for your radio of choice. I have no beef with JR but you might want to do your homework before making that choice. I also recommend an O.S. hyper as your engine. They have established a reputation of being extremely reliable. When it comes to gyros, the 401 is hot but from what I've seen the 611 Rocks!

IMO


Zandro

The ONLY way you fail is when you quit.
05-08-2008 05:37 AM
 
 
Senator83
New Heliman
Location: Bakersfield CA

I have a futaba, im happy with it, but its not spread spectrum. I also have a spektrum reciever in the B400, the JR is suposed to work with it. I will definately look into the futaba radios, any specific radio in mind i should look at?

Thank you guys for your support. I think i have decided to try the Raven. I won't be doing any hard core 3d any time soon, if ever.

any other input is always welcome, im not buying right away

Thanks again,


Jason

PS, I have been flying the heck out of Real Flight G4, but found that i cannot do what i can on the simulator to the B400

is that simulator as realistic as they make it sound? seems much easier to fly than the real thing, could be my equipment though

been flying the Helimax axe cp on the sim.
05-08-2008 06:16 AM
 
 
Zman9545
Senior Heliman
Location: CA, USA

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I will definately look into the futaba radios, any specific radio in mind i should look at?

Jason,

Take a look at the Futaba 7C FASST for helis. Available at TowerHobbies that comes with or without servos. The price will fluctuate pending on the servos that comes with the different packages. It’s available with 3 easy payments option and is currently in stock. Replace the 600mah Nicd with the 2500 mah hydride from Horizon Hobby and solder your old leads to it. This radio can virtually run all day between charges with this modification.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...?&I=LXTTM2&P=ML


Zandro

The ONLY way you fail is when you quit.
05-08-2008 07:57 AM
 
 
Ray Fernandez
Key Veteran
Location: Guam (U.S.A.)

I, too, will endorse the Century Raven. You really can't beat the value. Likewise, as far as finding parts, check up north (San Jose). Century (HeliWorld) is there.

Ray Fernandez - GUAM
05-08-2008 08:20 AM
 
 
Way2slow
Senior Heliman
Location: Jeffersonville Ga

Well, I would the Trex 600N Pro or Super Pro. For the most part, parts are a lot cheaper. You can also find parts most anywhere, the Century has very limited parts sources. The Trex will generaly come out with less damage after a crash than the Century.

This is from first hand experience with both because I have a Kinetic 50 built by Century and other than the constant drive tail I have the upgrades that make it a Century Raven and I also have a Trex 600N Pro so I'm not just speaking from what I've read

My Trex also flies a hellava lot smoother than the Century also, much easier to control. Granted the Trex has 8717 servo's and the K-50 has Hitec HS-5625MG and the Trex has a few other goodies that are better than what's in the K-50 but cost of repair alone is enough to lean toward the Trex. For instance, you get two mainshafts for the Trex cheaper than just one for the Century, and that's the way most of the parts are.

As for radio's, I'm liking my X9303 2.4 better than my Futaba 7C. I fly the 7C on Helimax's, K50 and Mx450 and the 9303 on my Trex's, 600N Pro and 450SE V2 and have realy liked the 9303.
05-08-2008 12:16 PM
 
 
jester4
Veteran
Location: Brampton, Ontario

I have flown Align, Century, Thunder Tiger and now have an Extreme 50 on the bench, and all I can say is at the end of the day, they all fly about the same (haven't flown the extremem yet). I think your budget will dictate what you buy. As others have said, the Raven is good value and has features of it's larger brother the predator, but IMO it's somewhat needs a facelift to keep it fresh. Same goes with the Raptor. Align are fine, fly good, but slightly more expensive.

Now the Extreme. I haven't flown it yet, but I've seen many at the club, so that's why I bought one. I've seen them crash and they can take a good beating, and the G10 version is a little cheaper than the CF ones and they include muffler and blades. And the instructions and kit updates are very good.

Now I'm sure I didn't help any in your decision, so enjoy
05-08-2008 12:41 PM
 
 
helimatt
Key Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

Please include the Compass Models Knight 50 in your research! Excellent performers, the Sport is very reasonably priced and flies very well, the 3D flies evenbetter (from what I've heard- Just finishing buildnig my 3D now, but I liked the flight characteristics of the Sport and the head design is identical). I have a Trex 600E that I love too, but the Knight handled a little better IMHO, and the tighter frame on the Knight 3D should make it that much better.

Parts are readily available online (HeliProz, RCHeliworz, etc), very good prices. There's a thread for Compass, check it out.

I think almost any of the modern 50's on the market will serve you very well.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
05-08-2008 01:11 PM
 
 
FBoss
Senior Heliman
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA

Raven 50. Good bird, good parts support (now), lots of interchangable parts with your Hawk, AND you know the control system?
Seems like a easy choice, but I may be Biased........Ya think?

The good ole times are now ,000132
05-08-2008 01:57 PM
 
 
enahs
Veteran
Location: Valparaiso, IN (college); Sturgis, MI (home)

I'll throw the Audacity Models Pantera 50 in the mix too. It's worth a look. Good price on the kit and the owner, John, supports his products and customers very well. The heli also flies very well.

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Shane Eagan
05-08-2008 03:33 PM
 
 
jstfish
Senior Heliman
Location: Collinsville, Oklahoma

Entry level 50

Senator83

I would strongly suggest you check out hte Audacity Tiger 50. The Tiger is Very stable. Great price point, little over $200 for the kit, low parts count and you cant beat the customer service, Call John at Audacity and you will see for yourself.

http://www.audacitymodels.com


"instruction book ???...what instruction book"
05-08-2008 03:37 PM
 
 
Senator83
New Heliman
Location: Bakersfield CA

I hear a lot about My hawk having interchangeable parts with the raven, i tried to order a main shaft for it,(using the part number from the online manual at century's web site) but the shaft i need is smaller than the shaft they have now. and the hawk is a 30, does this make any diffrence?
I was told i can replace the bearings in the hawk to allow for the new shaft to fit, i have not tried to do this because the old shaft is fine. was just looking to get a few essential parts in my box.
05-08-2008 06:54 PM
 
 
DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: JAX,FLORIDA

I would suggest the Trex 600,it flys very good and repair parts are as inexpensive as you can get and everybody has them in stock. the Vibe 50 is a better heli but parts are a little bit more and not quite as available yet.

JRYSOSXLEVO600VIBEAURORAMAN
05-08-2008 07:04 PM
 
 
FBoss
Senior Heliman
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA

The hawk used to hae a differant main shaft. 10mm is standard now. There is an upgrade kit to make the change if you need it. My Hawk Sport has the 10mm. Not sure when the switch was made. All frame members are the same. Head and tail are differant in some respects but those differances can be changed too (you can put a raven head and tail parts on a Hawk w/some changes). I jst like the idea of one parts inventory working on 2 machines.

The good ole times are now ,000132
05-08-2008 07:13 PM
 
 
the Wasp
rrProfessor
Location: Vt

""interchangeable parts""

yes the older Hawks had an 8mm main shaft while today they have a 10mm shaft,,

you can upgrade your's to the 10mm shaft, but you will need more than just the bearings, you will need a Swash, Washout Block and Main Rotor Head Block al to fit the 10mm shaft,,

here again, adding up the 10mm Bearings, 10mm Main Shaft, and other part I would just tell you to buy a Hawk Pro, the Pro has many parts that you could consider upgrades to your older Hawk..

Jim
the wife wont let me get a Monkey !!,,, damm, can't have anything
05-08-2008 07:17 PM
 
 
payne1967
Senior Heliman
Location: warwick uk

and no one has given the hirobo evo 50 a look, great flying heli, good quality and will take the abuse that you can throw at it
the raptor 50, trex600 are great heli's too and have a look at the vibe 50, the hawk sport flys nice and smooth so the raven should fly just as well if not better
see what your local model shop suports and what everybody is flying at your local club
most of the modern machines fly well, some better than others
as for the radio dx7, futaba 7c 2.4ghz or the jr 2.4 ghz
05-08-2008 11:37 PM
 
 
Ray Fernandez
Key Veteran
Location: Guam (U.S.A.)

Jason,

As another suggestion and should you belong to a flying club, find out what the other heli pilots in your area are flying. This might be helpful.

Ray Fernandez - GUAM
05-09-2008 01:10 AM
 
 
alf1096
Senior Heliman
Location: TX

Knight 3d great price better performance.
05-09-2008 07:09 PM
 
 
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