rrTV-PHOTO   New HD TV
HOME   rrTV-PHOTO   GALLERIES   MY GALLERY   HELP-FAQ
myHOME PM pmRR MEMBERS 746 ONLINE 73 EVENTS SEARCH REGISTER  START HERE
 
2 pages [ <<    <     1     ( 2 )    >    >> ]787 viewsPOST REPLY
XHELI.COM . Autography FlightPower . Advantage Hobby

.
.
Engines Plugs Mufflers Fuel > OS HYPER 50 REAR BEARING CONCLUSION
 
 
Timbers
Senior Heliman
Location: Wisconsin

I Agree

Everyone has an opinion on this, and I can disprove everyone's theories.

Running the engine out of fuel at the end of the day doesn't prevent corroded rear bearings

Castor oil in the fuel doesn't prevent corroded rear bearings

Running a dehumidifer in your basement at 45% humidity setting doesn't help.

Spinning some after run oil through your engine doesn't help



What the engine needs is some sort of extensive flushing at the end of the day. If you notice, the bearing isn't the only thing in there that rusts. Your crankshaft and wrist pin are also corroded.

What do you flush with, that is the question. I was using Starrett M1, which is like Starrett version of WD-40. I would run that through my engine at the end of the day and my bearings stayed shiney, no corrosion. Problem is you can't use it in a YS engine, it eats the diaphram...

Back to square one!

Replacing bearings every month or so is a pain in the ass. Have to figure out a way around this.

...Tim

You fly RC helicopters? Can I have a ride?
05-08-2008 04:33 PM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
lightningrc
Key Veteran
Location: UK

Im I talking to my self on here ?

My bearing failure was due to a cheap unbranded bearing , end of ....

No rust any where......
05-08-2008 09:12 PM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
RAK402
Veteran
Location: Alhambra, CA

WD-40 is one of the worst things you can put in a model helicopter engine. It is, technically a solvent, not an oil.

I will probably dilute of remove all of the other chemicals in the engine, and will also prevent the oil in the fuel from getting where it needs to be when you start the engine(i.e. it prevents lubrication). One of the guys that I used to work with was a U-control speed/engine/pit man and used to compete in the Nationals on a regular basis. He taught me this.

Many people have ruined engines by using WD-40. Marvel mystery oil (probably not friendly to pump diaphragms either), is an appropriate lubricant/after run oil. I used to use it when rebuilding OS .40FSR's and FSRH's, many years ago.

Those motors, by the way, went forever on a set of bearings.

The best use for WD-40 on a model helicopter was taught to me many years ago. Vacuum-formed plastic canopies were sometimes taped together in the box. If the box sat for a long time, the gum from the tape was virtually impossible to get off of the windshield. WD-40 (again, being a solvent) would remove the gum without damaging the canopy.


LightningRC,

You are not talking to yourself. Your conclusion regarding bearing quality was pretty much the same as Finless's, and I agree with both of you. It is a quality issue (inappropriate materials) and possibly a size issue (bearing size inappropriate to handle the load) as, in many cases, people report that the balls themselves are simply pulverized.
05-08-2008 09:38 PM
 
 
Timbers
Senior Heliman
Location: Wisconsin

We had a guy at our field yesterday says his bearing in his 50 Hyper failed him almost immediately after he ran it for the first time. Bearing was horrible. I should ask him to check it to see what markings are on it.

You fly RC helicopters? Can I have a ride?
05-08-2008 09:44 PM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
lightningrc
Key Veteran
Location: UK

Yes Timbers please ask him ?
05-08-2008 11:08 PM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
the Wasp
rrProfessor
Location: Vt

aaa,,, I didn't know, but I was just told Futaba bought OS a few years ago,,

has anyone heard this ???

Jim
the wife wont let me get a Monkey !!,,, damm, can't have anything
05-09-2008 01:02 AM
 
 
baby_zyklon
Key Veteran
Location: Singapore

lightningrc, perhaps your bearing failure was simply the bearing quality, I can't deny that since it isn't mine and I have never seen it before. However, do consider that hyper users have been having problem since years ago, even when OS was using NTN bearings. Maybe you are right about the different grades of NTN bearings(like ABEC grading??I know of NTN japan and NTN taiwan, didn't make any difference), but that doesn't explain why even users that bought expensive good ceramic bearings have the same issue. I have gotten more than a few NTN bearings from different places and tbh, none of them last more than 6 gallons on mine before they make noise. Same goes for the other brands, except IJK bearings which I managed to squeeze 90flights out before it sounded a bit rough at idle.

What I am trying to tell is that it doesn't mean that as long as anyone put a NTN bearing in their engine, the bearing issue will go away. It also doesn't mean that all bearing issues are due to quality of the bearing. The size and material of the bearing might be the reason, but it definately is not because the bearing manufacturers decided to make lousy 6902 bearings of poor quality, while making the other bearings of other size a better quality.
05-09-2008 01:19 AM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
lightningrc
Key Veteran
Location: UK

Yes good point , but I feel for what ive done to my engine a branded bearing would have helped.

Who knows for sure
05-09-2008 07:34 AM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
nivlek
Elite Veteran
Location: Norfolk England

Quote 
I didn't know, but I was just told Futaba bought OS a few years ago,,

has anyone heard this ???

Yes , that's true .

At the end of the day , it gets dark .
05-09-2008 07:38 AM
 
 
alfred
Senior Heliman
Location: Australia, New South Wales, Mid North Coast

Quote 
Castor oil in the fuel doesn't prevent corroded rear bearings


That, I 100% disagree with.
Until synthetic oil showed up on the market, we used Castor oil exclusively.
I had never, ever had a single rusted bearing in any of my engines, no matter how long they sat there or how hard they were run.
05-09-2008 08:19 AM
 
 
2 pages [ <<    <     1     ( 2 )    >    >> ]787 viewsPOST REPLY
Revolution Models . CarbonXtreme . Midland Helicopters

.
.
Engines Plugs Mufflers Fuel > OS HYPER 50 REAR BEARING CONCLUSION
  UPDATE SCREEN   PRINT TOPIC Advertisers 

Subscribe to This Topic

Wednesday, May 14 - 4:52 am - Copyright © 2000 - 2008 runryder.com | email | link to rr | runryder needs cookie