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HIROBO X-spec - Freya - Sceadu - Shuttle > finally did some auto's with my evo 90!!

RICH.L
Veteran
Location: east springfield p.a.

After having my evo 90 for a year and a half I finally got the guts to do some auto's with it.

What a blast,after the first one the fear factor went away and they were getting better after each one.

So far in a year and a half this machine has been great,last winter I put it away and a few weeks back just checked everything over and fired up the first try and felt and handled great as usual!!

Oh yeah,knock on wood but I have had the same set of v-blades for the entire time without any problems,that is the longest I have ever had a set of blades for.

rich

05-04-2008 02:53 PM

JimT
Heliman
Location: Warrenton, OR

Good work.

I'm interested in the EVO 90 or the Raptor 90 for a first 90 size heli. Are you running this pretty much stock? I'm not interested in 3D, just F3C type of flying.

Jim

05-04-2008 05:27 PM

Free Bird
Senior Heliman
Location: Somewhere in the USA

Doing autos with a 90 is fun and a lot easier than doing them on a smaller heli.

jimt: The Evo 90 would be a good choice for the type of flying you're looking at. It's a smooth bird that's very predicable.

FB

I meant to do that!

05-05-2008 02:28 AM

JimT
Heliman
Location: Warrenton, OR

Thanks FB.
My next question is how is the EVO 90 construction manual compares to the Raptor manuals? I've built a Raptor 50 with help from Raptor Technique and a T-Rex 500 with help from Finless's videos. So far I haven't had to work through an assembly manual by myself.

Jim

05-05-2008 02:50 AM

tadawson
Key Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

Hirobo manuals are very good, and I have never needed to look elsewhere to build from them . . . . can't compare to a Raptor manual, since I have never wanted to own a Raptor . . . and light years better than the manual for the 450SE2 . . .

- Tim

05-05-2008 03:39 AM

JimT
Heliman
Location: Warrenton, OR

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Hirobo manuals are very good, and I have never needed to look elsewhere to build from them . . . . can't compare to a Raptor manual, since I have never wanted to own a Raptor . . . and light years better than the manual for the 450SE2 . . . - Tim

Boy, this just keeps getting better and better!

Checked out your profile, Tim. Looks like you are the original Hirobo enthusiast!

If I move forward with this I'll be back with more questions on what electronics to set up an EVO 90 with.

Thanks, Jim

05-05-2008 04:47 AM

tadawson
Key Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

I think there are others with a lot more than I have, but I would be glad to help . . .

- Tim

05-05-2008 05:46 AM

F3CWNB
Senior Heliman
Location: Napier, New Zealand

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I'm not interested in 3D, just F3C type of flying

I would get an EVO & put an X-spec head on it (much smoother/graceful than the FFZ-III head) - best low cost heli I ever owned...

'Life' is Looking Up!!!

05-05-2008 07:37 AM

GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Evo

I also have an Evo set up for F3C but am using the FFZ-3 head but will probably end up with the SSZ-3. I have an SSR-7 head but only Hashimoto seems to be able to make that one work. I had forgotten how pure inputs are with mechanical mix versus CCPM.
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.

05-05-2008 12:44 PM

JimT
Heliman
Location: Warrenton, OR

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I also have an Evo set up for F3C but am using the FFZ-3 head but will probably end up with the SSZ-3. I have an SSR-7 head but only Hashimoto seems to be able to make that one work. I had forgotten how pure inputs are with mechanical mix versus CCPM. Gordie

Thanks for all the input guys. It sounds like the stock EVO 90 would work great for learning F3C type flying, given my present meager flying abilities, but be upgradeable to an even better machine as time goes on.

Gordie, would you mind elaborating on your "mechanical mixes versus CCPM" statement a little. My only experience with CCPM is the T-Rex 500 I just finished building. My only experience with mechanical mixes is my Raptor 30 and a Raptor 50 that I've built, but never installed the radio equipment in. It sounds like, maybe I've wrongly "jumped to the conclusion" that mechanical mixes were probably being made obsolete by the "much better CCPM".

Jim

05-05-2008 03:03 PM

GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

mechanical versus CCPM

Each system has its pluses and minuses. The mechanical system has the purest control inputs, that is, if the phasing on the model is correct, an aileron input will only roll the model and not have any effect on the pitch or collective, BUT it has only one servo for power. With the new generation of servos which are more powerful, one servo is enough for all but the hardest of hardcore applications.
The ccpm models have MASSIVE amounts of power being delivered to the swashplate so you get extremely powerful collective and cyclic inputs which is great for extreme 3D, but unless the servos are well matched, you get a bit of control interaction with any input. With the new generation of radios, notably the Futaba 14MZ and 12Z, you can program out nearly all of the interaction and make the model fly like a pure system but still have the awesome steering and collective power.
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.

05-05-2008 04:45 PM

Agilefalcon
Veteran
Location: Buena Park, California

Right on! I have converted one of my Freya's to an all CCPM machine. Actually, the machine is a bit of a hybrid having been first a Freya X-Spec and now sporting a Freya head and larger tank.

Anyway, despite using a variety of different servos from Airtronics and JR, I still see basic issues that need to be mixed out. This results from different neutral settings to different travel for each of the servos.

I've had good results mixing these out, but when I fly my non-CCPM machine I can feel and see the difference.

It takes much less effort to setup the standard mix machine and you end up with better results. The CCPM machine has some marginall improvements in collective power though I can't say I notice any difference in cyclic power at all.

If you are stick banging, you may not notice the trim issues with CCPM at all because, from what I've seen even of the highly rated stick bangers, there is very little precision in the flying where it would be noticed.

There aren't that many CCPM machines that have won the World's: Curtis did it with a Vibe and Hashimoto did it with an eagle.

Good luck in the autorotations by the way. The Freya autos superbly due to its huge rotorspan (on 690 blades). It's durable and reliable so you can keep practicing.

Chris Berardi
MRC/Hirobo Representative
Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants Dealer

05-05-2008 07:05 PM

HOMEPAGE

RICH.L
Veteran
Location: east springfield p.a.

It's quite the adrenaline rush,why would any sane person shut the engine down to idle and hope that they land o.k.?

but once you do some you have to do it more and more,I did about 6 more last night.

I definately need practice as last nights were not as good as before but I have only a small area to land in that has some rather large bumps and only one small flat spot.(unless I decide to land in the alfalfa field)

jim t mine is an evo with an x-spec metal head on it.

so far this bird in a year and a half has been just fuel and fly,I even had a few small mishaps and the costs were under $100.00 for repairs.

as for upgrades just c/f mainblades,paddles and tailblades.

now I wish I could figure out why mine are more like sliding auto's and not the nice hang a few seconds and land type.

I know practice practice practice.
rich

05-06-2008 01:25 AM

GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

CCPM

Please understand, I am not taking cheap shots at CCPM models, they are VERY good. The JR Sylphide, Kyosho Caliber 90, some of the Hirobo Eagles and EX-2s are CCPM and are outstanding. The MA Stratus FAI I flew for 5 years was also CCPM and did very well but I always had a soft spot for the mechanical mix models and really like the model I am working with now. I have a CCPM Evo nearly ready to fly so will have a much better feel for the difference in the two in about a month after I get time on both.
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.

05-06-2008 01:41 AM

JimT
Heliman
Location: Warrenton, OR

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CCPM

Please understand, I am not taking cheap shots at CCPM models, they are VERY good. The JR Sylphide, Kyosho Caliber 90, some of the Hirobo Eagles and EX-2s are CCPM and are outstanding. The MA Stratus FAI I flew for 5 years was also CCPM and did very well but I always had a soft spot for the mechanical mix models and really like the model I am working with now. I have a CCPM Evo nearly ready to fly so will have a much better feel for the difference in the two in about a month after I get time on both.
Gordie

Gordie, Chris, and Rich. Tnx for all the input. Gordie your explanation of setting up mechanical vs CCPM linkage makes perfect sense the way you explain it. I can see where someone, like myself, new to the F3C scene would have better luck setting up a mechanical mix vs CCPM. I can, also, now see the advantage of top end radios. I'm using a 9303 which is presently great for my needs.
As a side note, I was out today flying my Raptor 30 and T-Rex 500. Tried doing the basic inverted V hovering maneuver. Man, that's hard to do!

The neat thing is is that I've got enough room in my side yard to work on all the basic hovering maneuvers.

Jim

05-06-2008 03:12 AM

Agilefalcon
Veteran
Location: Buena Park, California

Jim, those hovering maneuvers are killer aren't they? Ha-ha. If a pilot who thinks he's up on 3D work should ever take a shot at flying AMA Class III (or FAI), a whole new world would open up. Suddenly, hovering isn't so easy after all!

Curtis' last video focused on breaking down maneuvers to component parts and he also demonstrated the approach to orientation training, specifically the hovering practice you are doing now.

Orientation is the key to getting any maneuver down at any point in the flight and you have to fight your natural asymmetric tendencies to get there!

Good luck with it!

Chris.

Chris Berardi
MRC/Hirobo Representative
Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants Dealer

05-06-2008 09:23 PM

HOMEPAGE

JimT
Heliman
Location: Warrenton, OR

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Chris, where could I get this video? I checked Curtis' site and I couldn't find anything. 10/4 on the orientation thing. I've noticed that there are orientations that are impossible to tell the exact orientation of the heli. It seems a person just has to "remember"

how it's actually oriented at that point.................if that makes any sense.

Tnx, Jim

05-06-2008 10:26 PM

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