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CLASSIFIEDS - Vendors > RAPTOR 90 Raptor 90 Kasama head install/setup thread (Updated Pictures)
 
 
GrandRC
Heliman
Location: San Jose, California

(Updating with new pictures and build for final production version of the Kasama Srimok head. Original build thread was based on a prototype)


Howdy all
Thought I would take a second and write up my overall experience with the brand new Kasama Srimok head for the Raptor 90. I have 3 Raptor 90's currently. All are identical with respect to power plant and electronics. Each runs an OS91SZ with OMI/Cline modified 60M carburetor, Hatori SB18L pipe, CSM 720 gyro, CSM RL10 Revlock and CSM CarbSmart. (For more info on the CarbSmart, see this thread: http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t412562p1/)

Grand RC is my supplier of choice for all of the CSM gear, including the CarbSmart http://grandrc.com/goveners?start=15


2 of my R90's run the full Thunder Tiger SE head, bird cage, updated flybar to get the new mix ratio, infinavation dampers, and all the other goodies. These two fly very well. R90 #3 has a full Top Dragon head on it and for me it just never felt as good as the SE config. I was in Grand RC a month or so back and wound up spending a Saturday out at the flying field watching Ed and his son and a few of their friends tearing it up with a few nice TREX 600, a beautiful Synergy and an awesome Stratus. Both the Stratus and Synergy had all kinds of Kasama goodies. I was talking to Ed about potentially updating my #3 R90 to the new 903D config to get it as crisp and precise as my first 2. Ed mentioned that Kasama was releasing a new Srimok head for the R90 that would look essentially identical to the Kasama head on the Synergy I had been watching in awe... Since I already have 2 Raptor 50's running full Kasama heads, that part was an easy decision. And since my R50 Kasama heads and pretty much all of the CSM toys on all of my birds came from Grand, working with Ed and family was no question at all.

The head build is pretty straight forward, with only a few minor things to look out for.
Kasama has a very good illustrated parts break down available at: http://kasama.com/kasamafile/ASSEMB...RAPTOR%2090.pdf

So let's get started. Assume we are going to use Locktite Blue on every bolt.

The head arrives in 2 bags, with all parts sealed nicely.



The first thing I did was to assemble the grips. The grips are absolutely beautiful as far as machining, and have full radial and thrust bearings installed from the factory. When you assemble, notice items numbers 12 and 13 in the Kasama drawing. You need to be careful here as the two bolts for the grip arm have a different length. They will go in either way, but if you place the the long bolt in the hole closest to the blade bolt it will bottom out into the thrust bearing and kick the thrust bearing slightly out of alignment. Very easy to notice when you try to slide the spindle in and the thrust bearing binds up a little!



Next I installed the bell/hiller mixers on the end of the grip arm. The mixer comes pre-assembled. All there is to do is run in the stainless bolt. Every bolt that passes through a bearing is perfectly machined stainless, and has the correct length shoulder to remove the need for those pesky aluminum sleeves used on the TT parts.
This is the grip with the grip arm and mixer installed.



Next came the head block itself. This is a simple matter of assembling and installing the dampers. The dampers are very similar to Infinivation or other O-Ring style. 3 O-Rings slide over the damper support. The damper assembles with the larger flange on the damper support to the outside. I gave the dampers a shot of Tri-Flow and slid them into the head block.




Next piece is the flybar carrier. This is very simple. It slides into the head block, and is attached using two M3x7 bolts through the pre-installed bearings in the head block. Once the carrier is in place, you can add the ball links. Kasama calls these the "Srimok linkage double ball" (part number 23). These go on the inner holes, on the back side of the carrier with respect to head rotation.



The inner holes provide more flybar tilt for greater cyclic pitch.

The next piece to assemble is the flybar and flybar control arms. Slide the flybar into the carrier from the side facing you. The flybar control arms sit in the two slots cut in the carrier close to the head block. The control arms are to the rear with respect to rotation. This means the one closest to you will face to the right, and the far side to the left. Another way to make sure you have it right is the flybar control arms are on the same side as the linkage double ball we installed earlier.


The flybar is secured using two flybar collars (part number 25). Centering is pretty easy. The stock Raptor flybar has two machined flats used with the stock flybar arms. These flats will be partially exposed on each side of the flybar carrier. Center the bar visually using the amount of flat spot exposed on each side of the carrier. Slide one of the collars over and tighten the grub screw. Check that all is still centered well using the exposed flat on the remaining side. If it all looks good, slide the other collar in against the carrier and tighten the grub screw.




The next step is to align the control arms. The goal here is to have the control arm grub screws 180 degrees apart. This puts in the correct "droop" on the control arms to give maximum control throw on the flybar. This is actually quite simple. First tighten up one of the arms so the arm is centered side to side in the slot. It does not matter where on rotation you are, just get the arm centered in the slot so it does not rub on either side. (Don't forget the locktite!) Now we need to get the other arm aligned. With a hex driver in the tightened arm, align the hex driver in the arm you need to tighten so they are exactly parallel by eye. The picture shows it better than I can explain.



At this point you can install the grips and spindle in the head. This is essentially identical to a stock Raptor configuration with a 5mm bolt and washer at each end. Locktite the bolts when you assemble and tighten it up. You may feel a little drag against the dampers here as you move the grips, but as soon as you pull outward on the grips (centrifugal force), they are smooth as glass.



Moving forward, it is time to install the headblock onto he main shaft. Remove the old head assembly everything above the washout. Drop the new headblock onto the main shaft. Install and tighten the main head bolt (jesus bolt). Next add the two M3x18 lower pinch bolts (part number 31). These you want to snug back and forth so you get an even compression from both sides. Notice these bolts come in from opposite sides.



Now it is time to put the linkages together. The Kasama instruction sheet gives exact length of the 2 different control link sets. I used Fortune Model Products Ultra Link ends and the supplied link rods. Assemble your linkages to the correct length and size the link ends using your favorite methods. Install the links on the head as per the Kasama drawing.


Assemble your linkages to the correct length and size the link ends using your favorite methods. Install the links on the head as per the Kasama drawing.

Ok, so now we have the head installed, and the control linkages setup. Time for basic radio setup. First we need to reverse the collective servo. The Kasama runs an opposite collective direction than the stock R90. Now when the swash goes up, collective goes positive. Reverse your collective and center your servo arm using sub trim. With the collective servo centered (center stick) and the swash level, adjust the collective rod length until you get the washout arms parallel. This is your baseline for collective adjustment. At this point the washout should be pretty much centered in it's travel range, and if you measure pitch you should be very close to zero degrees.
The flybar angle has a major effect on pitch measurement, so make sure you get it perpendicular to the shaft. For precise zero on pitch, I use a 11/32 drill bit between the top of the flybar carrier and the head block. This lets me lock the flybar level and get both blades zeroed exactly when measured over the boom. Done properly, you won't have a hint or tracking issues.

The last thing to complete on install is paddle alignment. With zero pitch and a level swash, paddle alignment is easy. I use a Robbe paddle alignment set. With zero pitch all around, the paddles should be directly in alignment with each other, as well as the exactly parallel to the main blades. In this picture, I would align the top of the paddle gauge to the dead center of my SAB blades.


This thing is one beautiful piece of machinery!


Depending on linkage setup, the Kasama head is capable of +15/-15 degrees of pitch!!! Using the outer holes on the mixer gives a monster pitch range. I am currently using the inner hole on the grip side, along with inner of the dual ball setup. This gives me an easy +12/-12 with plenty of swash travel left.

After a test flight today, I will move to the outer hole on the mixer to see what is possible!!

Finally my chief quality control inspector had to give the new bird a final QC stamp of approval. My grandson Bly thinks Raptors are way cool, and Kasama is "whoa"


The Kasama Srimok head for the R90 is in stock at Grand RC! http://grandrc.com/inc/sdetail/128609
05-03-2008 01:33 PM
 
 
Raptile
Senior Heliman
Location: SLOVENIA-Logatec

Nice , what is the weigh of complet kasama head??

Futaba FASST 12FG | Raptor 90 V-Max | Raptor 50 Blinged! | T-Rex 450 SE | Vison 50 Soon!!!
05-03-2008 04:05 PM
 
 
Fullpitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Deerfield Beach,Florida

Hi jsenicka,
Im still using the mavrrik head on my 50 Raptors and the factory head
on my 90 3D raptor.Let me know how you like the Kasama head because I
would like to up gread.I here they are the ticket just havent tryed
one.
05-03-2008 04:10 PM
 
 
jsenicka
Key Veteran
Location: Hampton VA

The Kasama head on the 50's is a night and day difference. After 3 years on the Mavrick heads I went Kasama on both 50's and wish I had done it sooner. The Kasama 50 locks in and grooves like a 90.

I got 3 flights on the Kasama 90 today and I am impressed. Running a brand new power plant, so I took it a little eaay (Set the CarbSmart on 90 for two tanks and 100 on the 3rd). On first lift off the heli felt solid, but just a bit twitchy on cyclic (I have over 8 degrees of cyclic available.) I landed and took my expo from 15% to 25% and lifted off again. Perfect! My blade tracking was spot on, the heli felt like it was welded to the head in cyclic, and super stable in hover. We had 15-20mph wind today, gusting to over 25, and I had a ball. Super responsive to cyclic without a bit of nervousness in the air, even in the heavy winds. Flips and rolls were rock solid, with no Raptor Head Nod that I am used to.
I locked my stock auto hub on flight number 3, so I parked it for today. I will get a new Quick UK auto hub installed tonight and get some flights in tomorrow.

My quick summary is the Kasama is night and day better than the TDR head, and so far seems far better than my full metal SE config. My main comparison is a full G-Force Tuner head config on a 90SE that Arrio flies, and we plan to fly them both back to back tomorrow.

This one is a winner!

Jim Senicka
TREX 700 Nitro Pro/OS91
3x R50V2/OS50/Kasama - 3x R90/OS91/Kasama
05-03-2008 10:26 PM
 
 
arrio
Senior Heliman
Location: Newport News, VA

I watched Jim toss around his Raptor 90 with the Kasama head today. Very lively head! But still very solid. His setup on the heli was very complimentary with a CSM Gov and CSM Carbsmart. The heli pulled nicely through moderate 3D and behaved very predictably given the 10-20 mph winds. This head was giving fast, clean and solid cyclic with no evidence of head bobbing or twitchyness. Can't wait for round two tomorrow.


"fly it like you hate it"
Alfred (arrio) Riopel "more toys than time"
05-04-2008 12:11 AM
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Fullpitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Deerfield Beach,Florida

Thanks jsenecka,
That helps with my dission,looking forwards in trying a Kasama head
and thanks for your input.
05-04-2008 12:53 AM
 
 
Freya_man101
Senior Heliman
Location: newport news VA

nice post jim..ill be heading out thier tommorw aswell with my birds

want to see you 90 kasama in action

-----Ricardo Maldonado----- Vibe 90---Vibe 50---Stratus BW edition
05-04-2008 01:04 AM
 
 
JJMAN
Senior Heliman
Location: Chesapeake, Virginia - USA

Hey Jim, when you get done playing with it, I'll take it.

***I Like Jet Noise***
05-04-2008 01:15 AM
 
 
jsenicka
Key Veteran
Location: Hampton VA

Quick update.
I watched Finless Bob's great setup videos for the Kasama Srimok head for the TREX 600.
http://www.kasama.com/index.php?opt...tentpage&sub=18
The flybar setup for the Raptor is setup exactly the same as the TREX.

I also reset the mixers to run the outer holes, as this is how the head came to me from Kasama. Right now I have +/- 12.5 degrees collective and +/- 7.5 cyclic, with lots in reserve. I plan to fly 4 or 5 tanks today to get my engine broke in a bit then start tossing it around.

Jim Senicka
TREX 700 Nitro Pro/OS91
3x R50V2/OS50/Kasama - 3x R90/OS91/Kasama
05-04-2008 01:59 PM
 
 
jsenicka
Key Veteran
Location: Hampton VA

Ok, the Kasama Srimok head for the Raptor 90 is fantastic. We got in 6+ tanks today, and with the engine now making near full power a few of us had a chance to beat on it pretty good.
My take on it is the Kasama head just makes the heli feel far more solid than the SE configuration. It is the exact same difference I felt when I went to a full Kasama on the 50's.
Arrio had a chance to fly it today with the engine dialed in better at 100C on the CarbSmart, and compared it to a Stratus.
Freya_Man101 really turned it up and did a couple tanks in hardcore low level 3D, with lots of Chaos, Piro's Funnels and a few other things that made me go "holy crap! Is that my Raptor 90??!!!". He flew it back to back between his Vibe 90 and Synergy. I will let him jump in on how the heli flew.

Bottom line is this one is a keeper. I am looking to upgrade my two SE equipped birds as soon as the CFO looks the other way.

Jim Senicka
TREX 700 Nitro Pro/OS91
3x R50V2/OS50/Kasama - 3x R90/OS91/Kasama
05-05-2008 02:42 AM
 
 
Freya_man101
Senior Heliman
Location: newport news VA

flying jims kasama 90 was AWSOME!!!!!

its a rock solid head and bring the 90 to a new level!
also flew jims 50 and the elev. and alir. control was incredeble

but the raptor 90 kasama was just incredable..i will upgrade my 90se to kasama as soon as possible due to the fact it bring the raptor90 to a new level...

jim told me to beat the thing so i beat the daylights out of it (prob. scared jim a little but hope not to bad)

she stayed were i wanted her to go and went were i wanted her to go...she took ALL the hardcore 3d i threw at her and if you want the 90 to become a hardcore machine and even above

kasama is the way to go

and jim thanks alot for leting me fly that great heli man it was a blast today!!

-----Ricardo Maldonado----- Vibe 90---Vibe 50---Stratus BW edition
05-05-2008 03:41 AM
 
 
jsenicka
Key Veteran
Location: Hampton VA

I spoke with Ed at Grand RC today, and he passed on one tip from the Kasama engineering guys. For really aggressive 3D, you need to run the blades very tight in the grips. With over 20 degrees of pitch easily attainable, getting a boom strike becomes easier....

When we finished flying yesterday we could see where Ricardo had managed to ding the boom a touch, so we were close. I had the blades pretty loose, as that is how my SE was typically set up.

Jim Senicka
TREX 700 Nitro Pro/OS91
3x R50V2/OS50/Kasama - 3x R90/OS91/Kasama
05-05-2008 09:57 PM
 
 
Shoego Heli
Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA, USA

Now can you imagine coupling this head with the new Redline 106??

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t423911p1/

Having my heli: Cool, Having a working heli: Awesome, Having a day to fly: PRICELESS!
05-06-2008 05:00 PM
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Billebob
Senior Heliman
Location: Tim-buck-2

Quote 
With over 20 degrees of pitch easily attainable, getting a boom strike becomes easier....

Easier than what?

Twenty degrees is easily attainable with most any helicopter, especially easy with your R90-3D. 24-30 degrees collective pitch is quite common in a 90.

Now if I was going to promote this head, it would be that it is taller than the stock unit thus being less likely to boom strike. Should this not be the case as you allude to, it could indicate softer damping or something else amiss.

BB
05-06-2008 08:54 PM
 
 
jsenicka
Key Veteran
Location: Hampton VA

I meant 20 degrees in a single direction. 13 positive collective and 8+ degrees of cyclic when it was being honked around. That can lead to some considerable blade lag when the grips as loose.
The fact that we only got a ding, as hard as Ricardo was beating on this thing, with 710's loose in the grips is likely due to the fact that the head is taller.

Right now I have over +/- 15 collective available. I have it dialed back in the transmitter to +/-12.5. I am running "only" +/- 8 on cyclic, with at least 10 available......

Jim Senicka
TREX 700 Nitro Pro/OS91
3x R50V2/OS50/Kasama - 3x R90/OS91/Kasama
05-07-2008 01:23 AM
 
 
Freya_man101
Senior Heliman
Location: newport news VA

also it did not accure right away...it took basicly the hole flight of nonstop hard pounding 3d for it just to ding it...not completely remove the tail dureing flight...i also had full control after the ding happened.

as i recall the fuel tank was on its header when we checked the heli out.

-----Ricardo Maldonado----- Vibe 90---Vibe 50---Stratus BW edition
05-07-2008 04:27 AM
 
 
Billebob
Senior Heliman
Location: Tim-buck-2

Quote 
meant 20 degrees in a single direction. 13 positive collective and 8+ degrees of cyclic when it was being honked around. Right now I have over +/- 15 collective available.

Now that's what I wanted to hear. Dude, that's two directions!
Sounds like exactly the range the most greedy pilot desires.

BB
05-07-2008 04:04 PM
 
 
jsenicka
Key Veteran
Location: Hampton VA

My rough check with my collective link disconnected looks like I could get up to +/- 16 degrees of collective, and the better part of 10 degrees of cyclic each way! Not sure if I would get any cyclic binding at that range, or if mere mortals can fly that much!

I can say that +/- 12.5 collective and +/- 8.5 cyclic makes for a VERY responsive helicopter!!!
I plan to settle in on 8 degrees cyclic and about 13 on collective. I am also picking up an RL30 Revlock with the new collective management system on Saturday when I stop in at Grand RC.

Jim Senicka
TREX 700 Nitro Pro/OS91
3x R50V2/OS50/Kasama - 3x R90/OS91/Kasama
05-08-2008 01:42 AM
 
 
red_z06
Elite Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

We just receive our Srimok Kasama head for R90. The first thing I wanted to know was the weight of the head.

R90SE head (minus main shaft, flybar, paddles, washout assy) 14.2oz

Kasama R90 head 9.4oz

The weight difference is 4.8oz

www.justinchi.com
05-20-2008 01:05 AM
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jsenicka
Key Veteran
Location: Hampton VA

Wow!

Did not realize the weight savings would be that much.


I thought it flew so well that I bought a second one the week before last while I was at Grand RC.
Will have updated pictures with a bit more detail on assembly and setup with the new one.

Will be in CA in a couple weeks. Will likely need to update R90#3 as well

Jim Senicka
TREX 700 Nitro Pro/OS91
3x R50V2/OS50/Kasama - 3x R90/OS91/Kasama
05-20-2008 03:18 AM
 
 
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