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eyeflyhelis
Elite Veteran
Location: charlotte nc

this is a stupid topic, everything that happens to me in my life is a direct reflection or other peoples bad choices. nothing i do ever makes things go wrong therefore its never my fault so i take no responsibility and if your near by when wrong doings happen its automatically your fault so stop your whining!

only you have the power to make no difference!
**Modefo's Heli's**
K3D!!
05-02-2008 06:08 AM
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helibandit
Senior Heliman
Location: Jacksonville, North Carolina - United States

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You're responsible for yourself. If you're afraid of getting hit by an RC aircraft, don't go to the field. If you're afraid of getting hit by a drunk driver, stay off the road. If you're afraid of being in a plane crash, take the bus! If you're afraid of getting food poisoning, stay away from undercooked meat. Its a simple concept.

i agree with ya dood about the helicopter part and the uncooked meat part and the plane crash stuff... but not about the drunk driver stuff. you have a a right of freedom to do what you want as long as it doesnt take away from my own freedom. thats why drunks on the road get arrested and not 4 year old rc pilots. I dont care if kids want to fly helis its not up to me to decide.. if im at a field and a kids goes to fly or even an adult that doesnt seem mentaly capable of flying a heli safetly i would leave. I do think there should be extra caution however while someone very young is at the sticks. adults arent capable of making rash decisions EVERYTIME something goes wrong so ya know a 4 year old sure as he11 aint.. anyway im not against it but i think some safety stuff should be implemented at a field where there are many people around.. people should be made aware of the perhaps slightly more dangerous situation happening and given the oportunity to move if they choose.

The only time you can have too much fuel is when your on fire
05-02-2008 06:11 AM
 
 
Dood
Key Veteran
Location: America's Dairyland

Eyefly,

My English teacher when I was a sophomore in High School taught me something, something I'll remember and live up to for the rest of my life.

He said, "You don't HAVE to do anything."
You ALWAYS have a choice. different choices have different consequences.
So when someone tells you 'you HAVE to do this', find out what it is if you DON'T do it.
You're faced with a decision that you need to make. The outcomes will be different for each of those decisions. Some may have a similar outcome, others may be very different. Nevertheless, the outcome is never exactly the same.

But you have made a decision, and you are always responsible for what happens after that. Whether it is at work, or in life. After all, it was YOUR CHOICE.

So yes, it IS ALWAYS your own damn fault, no matter what.
You made a choice, and you are responsible for your own decision making, and anything that happens as a result of your decision making process.

Like if you got hit by a helicopter? It really wouldn't have happened if you were sitting at home in the living room watching TV.

Im not Mr. Lebowski, YOU'RE Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dood! So thats what you'll call me
05-02-2008 06:18 AM
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red_z06
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Location: Dumont, NJ

You should not teach these kids about safety. They will become your worst nightmare and become your personal safety police and take a way all your carefree fun. It is no fun being called out by a 5 year old that you did a dangerous move.
Don't EVER tell them that it is dangerous to fly closer than the center line of the runway. Because, they will become a tape recorder and play back that message everytime anyone crosses that line which will be many many times a day.

In a way they are like a well oiled machine that have very few things going on in their head while they are flying. They have no mortages to worry about and they have no ego so they will not over exert themselves. They don't worry about the fight they had with a wife earlier.

Bottom line is that it is not the age thing that bothers us. It has to with being different. Patty Wagstaff said that being a woman pilot is like a double edged sword. While things are going well, they will acknowledge the accomplishment. However, the second you screw up, they will be quick to point fingers and say "See! That happened because the pilot is a woman. A Man would never do that"

Just replace woman with anything you wish. Kids, Old people, nuns, gay people, etc etc.

Face it. We are an insecure breed with arogance that bloats our head. We have it all figured out. We have theories on everything and we have contingency plan for every bit of emergencies that may arise. However, when the actual emergency occurs, instead of acting out the all mighty plan, we often freeze and end up doing nothing.

It really doesn't matter whether we actully can carry out the plans and theories that we have devised. That is immaterial because we have a plan of action and having this plan is of the utmost importance. Acting out the plan? Who needs it? We won't have to worry about it as we will NEVER have to use it. Kids do not have a plan of action and that is that.

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05-02-2008 06:29 AM
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eyeflyhelis
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Location: charlotte nc

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But you have made a decision, and you are always responsible for what happens after that. Whether it is at work, or in life. After all, it was YOUR CHOICE.

So yes, it IS ALWAYS your own damn fault, no matter what.

Dood your so WRONG! its always someone else fault when things go wrong never my own.
obviously your teacher was an idiot who wanted you to do your homework, you can tell by that statement.
now im getting a headache and its your fault too!

only you have the power to make no difference!
**Modefo's Heli's**
K3D!!
05-02-2008 06:31 AM
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Dood
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Location: America's Dairyland

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only you have the power to make no difference!

Im not Mr. Lebowski, YOU'RE Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dood! So thats what you'll call me
05-02-2008 06:36 AM
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eyeflyhelis
Elite Veteran
Location: charlotte nc

about time

only you have the power to make no difference!
**Modefo's Heli's**
K3D!!
05-02-2008 06:39 AM
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helibandit
Senior Heliman
Location: Jacksonville, North Carolina - United States

like i said i agree with you about the little kids flying helis but not as a general rule of thumb.. i think this debate should be more geared to wheather or not a little kid on the sticks aposes a very high threat (much more than your average aged heli flyer) while at a flying field where people should beable to attent without getting their head lobbed off by someone too big for their britches. i dont believe that just because a kid is realy young that it means they are a safety hazard.. each flyer should be delt with based on their mentality while at the feild.. if the kid just cant seem to be safe while fly he should be stopped just like an adult would be stopped if he or she were being unsafe. because they are little doesnt mean they should get a break.. or at least not many and everyone should not have to leave the feild to not be killed. there is no reason that child or that adult that is being unsafe cant go fly in his or her own yard. if i owned a shooting range and i didnt have stipulations on age and there was a 4 year old that had no muzzle awareness he would not be allowed to handle a gun at my range... if someone got shot it wouldnt be their fault because they were there.. it would be the kids fault or parents fault or MY fault for allowing an unsafe shooter to handle a gun at the range. same would go for an adult that couldnt handle him or herself. its kinda like saying the kids that were shot at columbine were shot because they chose to go to school and they should have known better. thats said though i think anyone thats wants to fly at a field should be given the chance to unless they prove to be a safety hazzard (more than normal) i DONT think there should be an age limitation..

The only time you can have too much fuel is when your on fire
05-02-2008 06:56 AM
 
 
Dood
Key Veteran
Location: America's Dairyland

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if the kid just cant seem to be safe while fly he should be stopped just like an adult would be stopped if he or she were being unsafe.

yep.

Im not Mr. Lebowski, YOU'RE Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dood! So thats what you'll call me
05-02-2008 06:59 AM
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red_z06
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Location: Dumont, NJ

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if the kid just cant seem to be safe while fly he should be stopped just like an adult would be stopped if he or she were being unsafe. because they are little doesnt mean they should get a break.

Agree with that 1000%

www.justinchi.com
05-02-2008 07:00 AM
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eyeflyhelis
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Location: charlotte nc

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if the kid just cant seem to be safe while fly he should be stopped just like an adult would be stopped if he or she were being unsafe. because they are little doesnt mean they should get a break.
whats worse kis that adult is usually over the pits before anyone says something where the kid would never last that long before being spoken to. and most likely by the guy who flys over the pits!

only you have the power to make no difference!
**Modefo's Heli's**
K3D!!
05-02-2008 07:08 AM
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fiveoboy01
Senior Heliman
Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

Not always in agreement with Dan but I definitely am in this instance.

If the individual can demonstrate that they are in control then there is no reason they should be prohibited from flying regardless of their age.

I have seen crappy/dangerous pilots of ALL ages, not just young kids. Last year at our funfly, I watched a guy(had to have been around mid to late 20s) take off with a plank and try to shoot straight up... Lost control and was flailing around behind the flightline, behind the pits, and over the crowd where there were a ton of kids/spectators etc.

And I also agree about the risk part. There is an inherent risk in anything we do, and each individual needs to decide if the risk is worth the activity.

I have always maintained that every individual is responsible for his/her own safety and well being... Depending on someone else to be safe so you don't get hurt is just asking for it IMO.

Trex 450SA blinged, Trex 600N, DX7
05-02-2008 07:10 AM
 
 
jonny_volts
Heliman
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

Sure you may think its sweet as until that little kid that you think is soo awesome screws up big time and your the one in the ****.

I'm 19 I'm doing mild 3d, and I'd say I like to live it on the edge a lil but there are somethings that are just dumb and honestly if you can't see that this is one of them you've got no common sense. Sure us young guys are the digital age there is a huge difference in maturity between a 16/17yr old and a 18/19yr old and especially anything prior 16. Not to say that they cant fly, cause some of them certainly can, and before you say your jealous I honestly don't give a flying fcuk, guys that young don't have a developed enough sense of what the consequences are/ can be when these things go awol, either pilot error or mechanical or interferance. With this topic we are more aiming at pilot error and mechanical failure remember these are digital age guys we've been brought up around Xbox and playstation and computers nothing happens when you forget to locktite a bolt down on a game console.
Yano!

Buddy boxing does sound extreme but I reckon these guys younger than 10/12 need some kind of restriction whether it be power/size/control you can't expect a 4yr old to have much understanding beyond controlling a heli, which as we all know is only half the hobby.
I think you'd definatly see a difference in flying style when they have to start paying for their ****.

Blah Blah Blah fly fly fly
05-02-2008 07:59 AM
 
 
fiveoboy01
Senior Heliman
Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

Pilot stupidity/ignorance/lack of understanding of consequences is not limited to very young people as you imply.

Trex 450SA blinged, Trex 600N, DX7
05-02-2008 08:58 AM
 
 
quattrokid73
Veteran
Location: Huntingdon Valley, PA, USA

does a 4 year old have the mental capacity to rationalize the best thing to do in situations when things go wrong? do they have the cognitive ability to be aware of their helicopter and their surroundings in the same way as the average older heli flyer?

one time i had a screw sucked into my motor when i was in a low inverted hover near people and cars. i was able to flip the heli over and land safely without the heli going flopping. of course kids have the same reaction time i do, but can they problem solve as quickly?

a kid can sure drive a car well if taught, but when they turn the corner and there's an uncovered manhole, a boy on a bicycle, and a lamp post, will they have the proper judgment to execute the smartest maneuver?

with the limited knowledge i have of behavioral and cognitive development, the answer is a flat out NO.

that said, any 4 year old should be able to fly an RC heli of any size. there is a time and a place for it. my kid? i'd bring them to a field by themselves to fly a big bird like that.

Aero-Model/Hacker Brushless/Mikado 2007
05-02-2008 09:26 AM
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jonny_volts
Heliman
Location: Wellington, New Zealand

of course its not limited to young people but this post is about young people... anybody home?

Blah Blah Blah fly fly fly
05-02-2008 01:23 PM
 
 
vidmarv
Senior Heliman
Location: ft walton beach, FL

Let them fly

Much more fearful of childish adults.

As in....

"one time i had a screw sucked into my motor when i was in a low inverted hover near people and cars."

I don't see a parent letting a child of 4 ever get into this situation to begin with. It's not about "solving the problem quickly" it's about not putting yourself in that position to begin with. Children that age should always be supervised, that's all.

VM

Perfectly sliced air every time!
05-02-2008 01:47 PM
 
 
red_z06
Key Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

Here is what I suggest:

1. All pilots must pass the blow dart with bee toxin test. This is to see what the pilot's reaction regarding safety if and when struck by a bee.

2. Adherance to designated flying area. Any violation should call for a warning and multiple violation should call for a suspension.

3. Minimum competensy certification to be flying at any fun-flies to be safe.
a. straight line flying following a designated path (runway center) in upright forward, backward, inverted forward, backward.
b. 4 point hover (tail-in left side, nose-in, right side) in upright and inverted inside a designated sized circle.
c. any other maneuvers to show the pilot is able to direct the heli in full control.

4. Any underage(17 and under?) or Junior AMA member is required to fly an additional 50feet out from a zero line (never to cross safety line)

www.justinchi.com
05-02-2008 01:49 PM
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Alan Szabo Sr
Key Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

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3. Minimum competensy certification to be flying at any fun-flies to be safe.
a. straight line flying following a designated path (runway center) in upright forward, backward, inverted forward, backward.
b. 4 point hover (tail-in left side, nose-in, right side) in upright and inverted inside a designated sized circle.

Benny now I have to stop half the adults at our field because they cant do A and B.
05-02-2008 02:02 PM
 
 
Mutt
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Location: t ca usa

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one time i had a screw sucked into my motor when i was in a low inverted hover near people and cars.

Why on earth would you as an adult do something that stupid? I sure wouldnt want you flying at our field either.
05-02-2008 02:06 PM
 
 
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