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Avant Aurora - EFX - FX > Now that the aurora is released....

RYOTGEAR
Heliman
Location: USA

I am getting a TREX 700 because it will be backed by a company that will be around for awhile.They have more resources available to them and they get things done faster than some 1 person run operation that has the poorest customer relations known to the modern world before it is even out.

Sure the Aurora is a good helicopter,but it is coming out with a company that has been full of false promises,lies and absurd buisness practices and delays,excuses and outright disrespect for the people who were interested in purchasing one.

They call you a troll for posting negative comments about the Aurora but most of these comments are because of the BS that the company was pushing around.I seem to recall AURORA taking the steam out of the SYNERGY release about 2 years ago and this was the start of the reason for some of the troll like posts etc...

GO T-REX 700

MATTER SET FREE

05-02-2008 02:52 AM

Helipark
Heliman
Location: Toronto

Come on, I got my Trex600N because it was designed by Mr. Jason "showtime" krause. He is one of the best AMERICAN rc heli designers in US???? Again, Mr. Jason "showtime" Krause is the designer for up coming N700???? We all see Mr. Alan Szabo is also one of the testing pilots to do the preproduction test flights for the N700???? I hope you don't need me to refresh your memory about who was the designer of the Trex500.
Now, you are simply put all the quality issues to the CHINESE???? If you are the designer or testing pilot, what is your responsibiity about quality???? Isn't it fair for me to say Jason who designs a low quality product???
I currently own, trex450, trex500 & 600N. Yup I will buy the 700N and/ or the Aurora

05-02-2008 04:22 AM

JAGNZ
Elite Veteran
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Nope, design is separate to manufacturing and QC. You can design the perfect product but if the manufacturing and QC tolerances are crap or non-existent then the end product will be crap.

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz

05-02-2008 04:39 AM

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DaveYost
Veteran
Location: San Diego Ca, USA

I Agree.

Dave

MA Fury Extreme,Vibe 50, JR 9303,YS,Vblades, Don't blame me, I voted for Jimmy Buffet!

05-02-2008 05:15 AM

Dood
Key Veteran
Location: America's Dairyland

Yep. Design and quality are their own entities.

Mr Krause had a hand in designing the Synergy N9, don't forget.

There is a difference in quality between an Align product and a Synergy product.

Im not Mr. Lebowski, YOU'RE Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dood! So thats what you'll call me

05-02-2008 05:23 AM

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tdsounds
Senior Heliman
Location: Metairie, LA

I own two Align helis and the old Avant FX with the programmable head. Though I love my Align helis they are now where near the quality of the Avant FX. I don't fly as hard as many people, but I can notice the slop and play on the Align machines after 20 flights. Still love them because they are cheap to fix and fly well. Nevertheless, it kinda of worries me that people would be comparing a Align to an Avant.

Trex 600N V-Bar
Avant FX
Trex 500
CCRCC

05-02-2008 01:29 PM

Helipark
Heliman
Location: Toronto

Thanks for yours comments. Now I learned design is just an idea and design is not related to production or quality. If many of the people have lucky enough to learn this lesson and they will selectively to purchase Mr. Krause desiged products. As I mentioned, I bought me 600N becasue I saw those big names & signatures on the package. Btw, other than Mr. Krause, the desinger, what's the purpose of other big names on the package? Advertisting? But what's the idea behind if we all know design, big names are not related to QUALITY? Why people keep buying the famous designer products if we are know they have quality issues?

05-02-2008 02:55 PM

zoomcorvette
Senior Heliman
Location: Racine, Wisconsin

Tolerances are specified on the print. During a first run the parts are usually 100% inspected. So the early parts are great. The Helis Alan Szabo will be testing will have good parts. When the production volumes are cranked up that is when I have experienced numerous issues. Jason Krause can design a great heli but he will have to spend a ton of time babysitting production to keep the parts QC up to snuff. If that happens the helis will be fine. I think everyone makes nice helis today that are way above my capabilities but I will stick with helis that you can fly an entire season or multiple seasons without replacing 1 thing. I hope the classifieds fill up with quality 90's while everyone jumps on the 700N bandwagon. I do know this I will not take my eye off one that is flying anywhere near me.

2-Evo50 YS50, MINI LAMA,TREX450XL,ALL Futaba

05-02-2008 04:11 PM

DoxWrangler
Heliman
Location: va

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Why is this constant "Avant stole the thunder of the Synergy release" crap flying around? FYI, in case you were living under a rock, the Synergy was extremely slow coming to market as well. I have no problem with complaining about the late release of the Aurora, but don't blame your hate and discontent on the fact that it "stole" some perceived thunder from another late-to-market helicopter. Hypocrisy is the almost the worst action by any human, next to lying and thieving, at least in my book.

Don't have anything nice to say? Don't say anything at all. If you aren't interested in owning the Aurora or here to answer a technical question, why waste your time here? Please tell me it's not just to troll.....

05-02-2008 04:14 PM

fiveoboy01
Senior Heliman
Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

N9 was slow to market yes, but I didn't see a deilberate attempt to derail another heli's release by a faulty announcement....

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A helicopter from conception to retail market in a matter of a few months, IMO, is totally unacceptable.

A) I assume you're speaking of the 700 and B) Please explain why this is true and C) how do you know the timeframe on the design of the 700?

Trex 450SA blinged, Trex 600N, DX7

05-02-2008 04:23 PM

Helipark
Heliman
Location: Toronto

Okay, I learned another lesson here now. Next time, when we decide to by a heli, we have couple more things to look from the package:

1. Who is the team designer
2. Who is the team testing pilot.
3. This a new idea for all manufacturers, WHO IS THE TEAM QC

05-02-2008 04:39 PM

DoxWrangler
Heliman
Location: va

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A) I assume you're speaking of the 700 and B) Please explain why this is true and C) how do you know the timeframe on the design of the 700?

Are you getting an Aurora five?

05-02-2008 04:44 PM

fiveoboy01
Senior Heliman
Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

What does that have to do with the 3 questions I asked(which by the way were not even directed at you)?

Re Aurora, I have considered it but I just don't think I can after all the BS. It's a nice heli for sure but I think I will be going with the 700N. That is, if I even buy a 90 and I haven't completely committed to that yet.

Trex 450SA blinged, Trex 600N, DX7

05-02-2008 05:02 PM

DoxWrangler
Heliman
Location: va

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What does that have to do with the 3 questions I asked(which by the way were not even directed at you)? Re Aurora, I have considered it but I just don't think I can after all the BS. It's a nice heli for sure but I think I will be going with the 700N. That is, if I even buy a 90 and I haven't completely committed to that yet.

Has nothing to do with the 3 questions you asked. I asked because I was curious. Why am I feeling your response was snippy? Maybe it's just me....

My next question is, if you aren't getting an Aurora and are leaning towards a 700 if you do get a 90, why are you here? Not trying to be inhospitable, but negativity and trolling seems to be running rampant and I just wanted to clarify that you weren't in the aforementioned group.

05-02-2008 05:21 PM

fiveoboy01
Senior Heliman
Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

(scratches head)

Wait, I have to own(or be planning to buy) a heli to participate in that heli's specific forum?

Could you please post a link to the rule on RR that states this? I'd appreciate it.

BTW no snippiness here, I'm just pretty cut and dry on forums for the most part.

Trex 450SA blinged, Trex 600N, DX7

05-02-2008 06:02 PM

CJames
Key Veteran
Location: Back in KC

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Maybe it's just me....

Yup. Its just YOU

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Not trying to be inhospitable

Then why so many posts attacking those who are unhappy with the way augustus treated them?
Why don't You quit trolling here?

"Looks like you've won this round, Gravity"

05-02-2008 06:38 PM

fr8brkr
Senior Heliman
Location: Asheville,NC

Five,
What is amazing is that I actually think you feel as though you may have some impact on the decision making process of those deciding on purchasing the Aurora based on the total ineptness of your posts. You have stated that you do not want an Aurora and probably cant afford one regardless. Do you honestly believe that your input in this forum serves any purpose for which ANYONE cares. If you do I feel sorry for you. You are looked upon in the Aurora forums as a joke and nothing else. Your biased opinion of Align products would likely be better received in the Align forums. I wish you well.

Problems ? -- Mine are flown in fresh daily

05-02-2008 07:40 PM

fiveoboy01
Senior Heliman
Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

I'm not trying to influence anyone's purchasing decisions. I've simply stated my stance/opinions. I realize that you're OK with someone stating their opinions unless those opinions do not jive with your views... Then the individual becomes inept.

Your statement about my income aside since you know little to nothing about me, I actually wouldn't mind having an Aurora. Just don't know if I could bring myself to pay for it. Due to crash and fuel costs, I don't know if I'll EVER own a 90 size bird.

I certainly did not start the Align parade in this thread. I simply want an answer to the questions I asked because someone made an assertion without any basis for that assertion.

If nobody cares about my input, I don't mind. It's the nature of the internet.

In any case I have said I will drop the Aurora thing because there's nothing more to be said. My opinion won't change but I don't think I need to sit and repeat it numerous times. There's plenty of reading here in this forum

Trex 450SA blinged, Trex 600N, DX7

05-02-2008 08:40 PM

alfred
Senior Heliman
Location: Australia, New South Wales, Mid North Coast

DoxWrangler

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Why is this constant "Avant stole the thunder of the Synergy release" crap flying around?

Maybe because it did?
It's a fact that the Aurora release was announced at the same time as the Synergy was, despite that the Aurora was no where near ready for release.
And yes, that is a very underhanded dirty tactic, which sits ill with most people's idea of fair and honorable behavior.

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FYI, in case you were living under a rock, the Synergy was extremely slow coming to market as well.

Correct, which is why the Aurora will suffer the same loss of Customers the Synergy did.
To this day, I will not consider a Synergy due to their poor Manufacturing behavior. And unless Avant shows some serious change in behavior towards their potential Customers, they will see the same loss of market.

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....but don't blame your hate and discontent on the fact that it "stole" some perceived thunder from another late-to-market helicopter.

The only one with "hate" towards his fellow person appears to be you. I don't think that you are actually helping the Manufacturer to gain more customers by spewing out rubbish like this.
You will find that most people on here are grown adults that live in the real world. We might expect statements like the above coming from some Teenager that has taken on to defend his "hero".
Maybe you are a Teenager, if so you are forgiven and we let this slide as the typical juvenile behavior and we all just wait for you to grow up