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Beginners Corner > Looking for a heli. Im a NOOB

TJinGuy
Key Veteran
Location: Socorro, NM - USA

I know you think you won a point there Skywarp but just because someone says they want a bigger heli someday does not mean in any way that they will be giving up their smaller helis or even that the small helis were a waste of money. Just because you only own one heli doesn't make you like anyone else I know. They all own at least 2 and many own 3-5. When you actually like flying helis and truly enjoy the hobby, it is inevitable that you will end up with a fleet of helis and not just one.

As for the cost of the small helis, with the exception of the single way over hyped model, all the smaller electrics are WAY cheaper than the bigger models. Please don't say all electrics are expensive because lots of guys blow $500 on a kit before they can even hover ... cause that is just absurd! Start with a lesser model of that same bird and only spend $240. Better yet buy a different model and spend as little as $65 for a full chassis with blades! Plus everything else is cheaper too. 300-450 sized helis run $40 motors and not $120 motors, $30 ESCs and not $100 ESCs, $50 high end batteries and not $300 high end batteries. There is no comparison in price if you make the right choices.

And yes it is all about choice and I choose to be able to fly in my front yard instead of the flying field where I have to buy an AMA membership! More savings right there.

Oh and as a note, fender wouldn't be caught dead with a Rex450 in his fleet.

- Chris

Variety+spice+life=King2+MiniT+Rex450
TAKE OFF AND LANDING CHAMPION SUPREME

05-04-2008 06:21 AM

fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

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You bought it right? That was by choice Sorry Fenderstrat. Just my opinion

I guess you dont take the time to read peoples signatures or profiles or their posts...if you read my post....my signature or my profile you would see that I do not....and for that matter....will never own a t-rex...........you are allowed to have your opinions all you want.....but to say all small electrics are junk is like saying all big electrics are slow, heavy and require expensive batteries

TT MINI TITAN,HBK2,Futaba FASST, NO T-REX.... QUIT CRYING AND START FLYING

05-04-2008 04:09 PM

Fire_Paramedic
Heliman
Location: Palmdale, California. USA

Wow I started a little battle on this post.. Minis vs the bigger sized helis.. Well just to let everyone know i think i have made my decision and i am going to go with the Trex 450 se from modefosheli. Looking forward to getting and getting i up in the air hopefully for a bit..

Thanks to all of those that helped me with my decision i couldnt have done it without you guys..

05-04-2008 05:43 PM

fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

good luck...good choice.....enjoy and fly the hell out of it

TT MINI TITAN,HBK2,Futaba FASST, NO T-REX.... QUIT CRYING AND START FLYING

05-04-2008 07:24 PM

SkyWarp
Heliman
Location: Planet Earth

Welcome to the ranks !!

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Wow I started a little battle on this post.. Minis vs the bigger sized helis

LMAO, Naaa... this is how it is. Mini vs big, planks vs helis, and electric vs nitro. Get use to it. Regardless of the topic, we are all here to help. With that being said, Welcome to the ranks!!! Choosing a heli is one of the more difficult things to do because of all the variety. Even moreso today, than a few years back. There is really no way for any of us to tell you if you made the right choice but to find out yourself. We are only hear to provide you the information. The rest is trial and error. It's almost like going out on a date. Scary huh?... LoL. In all seriousness, its a heli regardless of size so no bad choice really. We all glad you found a girlfriend.

good luck and happy flying.

Century Swift-
When in doubt, pull out. And that applies to everything.

05-04-2008 08:07 PM

Zman9545
Veteran
Location: The Golden STATE

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Mini vs big, planks vs helis, and electric vs nitro

Aint that the truth. We have enough drama here that we can start our own soap opera.

Trex600N Pro
Kinetic 50

-The ONLY way you fail is when you quit.-

05-04-2008 08:14 PM

flag8r77
Senior Heliman
Location: Jacksonville Florida

IMHO,
don't waste your money on anymore E Flite stuff. Save a little money and purchase a Mini Titan, great little machine. If you have any thoughts, ANY, about getting a 50 size nitro machine, go ahead and get one. (Trex 600 Kit costs just $335 online) You'll thank me way down the road after you've saved countless amounts of cash for smaller machines that have limitations.

05-04-2008 09:09 PM

SkyWarp
Heliman
Location: Planet Earth

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You'll thank me way down the road after you've saved countless amounts of cash for smaller machines that have limitations.

Flag8r77,
Where were you before 'Fire' jumped off the cliff?

Hope he knows how to auto

Century Swift-
When in doubt, pull out. And that applies to everything.

05-04-2008 09:38 PM

speeddemon370
Veteran
Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

Flag was trying to say the same thing on a similar post. I feel my answer there is similar to what would apply here so:

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IMO learning to fly a heli is hard enough without dealing with engine issues. If you're already familiar with rc engines and nitro then no prob but nitro has a fairly steep learning curve in itself. I would reccomend one thing at a time or else you're going to quit out of sheer frustration. Nothing says your first heli has to be your only and final heli. Buy one for learning, then get what you want depending on your EDUCATED prefrence and flying style.

Oh yeah, other than being harder to fly in strong wind, I would really like to know what "limitations" the smaller heli's have.

In order to practice what I preach I thought I would comprise a list of the "limitations" of larger heli's:
500-600 Electric
#1 You can no longer fly in a park or your back yard (unless it's monstrous) without risking severe injury or property damage.
#2 Transport just bacame a production. It's not gonna sit in your passenger seat on the way to the field.
#3 Kiss that corner of the workbench space goodbye
#4 Good luck performing abrupt "last split second before I hit the ground" corrections. They're gone forever.
#5 Flying with a smile on your face and not a care in the world is gone. Cause you are now in charge of a serious piece of expensive machinery that can cause serious damage and its going to blow itself apart once it touches anything.
#6 Financial limitations. Ever have to wait on parts? Try waiting for a payday (or 2) and then order parts.

30/50/90 NITRO:
All the above apply +
#7 Not only can it not sit on the passenger seat but you don't even want it in the cab. Some dude cuts you off and you jump on the binders...... you're wife's gonna b'''h about the nitro smell for weeks.
#8 Dirty dirty
#9 Pulling up to the field and being in the air within 1 minute of parking is gone forever.
#10 Surprise rainstorm and being packed up and in the vehicle before becoming soggy is gone forever.
#11 Parts count
#12 Helicopters are complicated enough, add a high performance engine that is very particular about ambient temperature and humidity
#13 Have you not been paying attention to gas prices?
#14 Working on it at the kitchen table. I don't care how clean you guys claim you can keep it, there's still exhaust gunk almost everywhere.
#15 Even MORE financial limitations than a 500-600 size electric

I think 15 should do it. There's more where that came from. Anyone care to come up with 15 limitations for a 400-450 size electric? I'd like to hear them.

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk

05-04-2008 10:54 PM

HOMEPAGE

Fullpitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Deerfield Beach,Florida

Good luck ,and have fun with it Fire Paramedic thats why we do this
hobby ,is to have fun and for get the other B.S.

05-05-2008 01:40 AM

flag8r77
Senior Heliman
Location: Jacksonville Florida

Speedemon....the parts for my Trex 600 are cheaper than the Mini Titan parts were! Also, kiss auto's or any hope of saving a 450 size heli if it stops working in the air. With a 50 size or bigger you can fall gracefully!

05-05-2008 01:55 AM

speeddemon370
Veteran
Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

I'll have to agree that auto'ing capability is all but lost on the mini's. Score one for the big guys I guess. It's not impossible though. Although I have only done 1 emergency auto in my entire life (a 30ft altitude during fff), it was with my b400 and resulted in absolutely NO damage. I will admit that there may have been alot of luck involved, but it's not exactly impossible. Even for a non pro. So you're "hope" of saving a dead heli in the air is not exactly "kissed goodbye".

Btw we're not talking mini titan. We're talking mini's. In which case I think the Rex 450 and the B400 would gobble up the vast majority of the market and would be the first thing to come to mind when someone mentions mini. So to make a fair comparison, you would have to compare say flybar's, sesaw's, mainshafts, main head and grips, landing skids, rotorblades and tail blades if someone were to get a good "crash parts replacement comparison".

So last time I checked. That makes:

400-450 VS 500-600

2 to 15

Total limitation count.

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk

05-05-2008 02:23 AM

HOMEPAGE

Pull-n-Pitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Mt. Dora, Florida (USA)

Speeddemon370--
I read your post several times, So I read your Bio, Maybe I am lost bein' a Florida Southern Nitro Dog, but you flat hate the "Nitro's" -What created the "hatred" of them? In your list is it that:
1) someone cut you off and you spilled the nitro jug?
2) Not enough room in the vehicle you drive?
3) You workbench is too small?
4) You hate cleaning!
5) You wanted to be in the air/flying in less than a minute!
6) You have been rained on... before you could pack up
7) Part count? I am lost on this one.....
8) You have trouble dialing in the "High Performance" with variable ambient air temperatures and humidity??
9) Gas prices vs. Battery prices.... this subject has been hacked out on RR a million times...I won't go there!
10)Working on the kitchen table? Oh yeah, refer to #3!
11)Financial limitations, How do you know what someone makes or has to spend to state this? The Dow Jones index for this coming Thursday close is?

Speeddemon--I fly nitro only, I have not had any of the problems you listed above, irregardless.... If you can bust on the Nitro why can't we bust on the Electrics-ALL IN GOOD FUN-- BECAUSE WE ARE ALL R/C PILOTS..... Hey I laughed (in good fun) on what you wrote, now I hope you laugh along on what I wrote! The fight on Electric vs. Nitros will go down like Ford vs. Chevy's......

05-05-2008 02:23 AM

Fire_Paramedic
Heliman
Location: Palmdale, California. USA

WOW WOW WOW. I HAVENT BOUGHT THE HELI YET... WHAT IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT.. SHOULD I GET THE TREX 450 OR NOT

05-05-2008 02:32 AM

george0079
Elite Veteran
Location: Terra Firma

Get the 450. You won't regret it.

The older I get, the shorter my attention....... Oh look. A shiny penny..

Steve

05-05-2008 02:36 AM

Way2slow
Veteran
Location: Jeffersonville Ga

My son bought a Blade 400 a coule of weeks ago, the Heli was $460 at the LHS. When he left the LHS, his $460 Blade was $800 by the time he got a few of the main spare parts,(blades, mainshaft, spindles etc) and the basic tools needed to work on it. That did not include a spare battery or a good lipo charger. He was back the next day and spent another $100 for a few more items he discovered the needed.

As for what to get,

Get a Trex 450 SE V2 and a Trex 600N. You can more flying time that way. Hell, I have five and it takes all five to keep one in the air. I ain't very good yet (basic beginner) so they spend a lot of time waiting on parts

05-05-2008 02:50 AM

speeddemon370
Veteran
Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

Yeah I'm laughing. Hope I'm not coming of as hating nitro or being grumpy in general. I just enjoy debating a bit too much sometimes. Fire paramedic, don't worry about it. This is pretty much all rr is. Everyone sooner or later is going to form an opinion and everyone sooner or later is going to disagree with someone elses formed opinion.
The nitro issue comes from playing with the father in law's heli's. He has way less time and more money than I and flys more than wrenches. I have more time and less money so I wrench on his and mine way more than I actually fly. I would love to have my own nitro one day to go fly and do with as I please. But you have to admit it is way more of a production, in the mean time I fix and fix and tune and tune and in the end, bang for buck, I get the most flight time and the most enjoyment from my good ol cheap B400. Fast cheap and easy. That's how I like em!

It just seems that the nitro's always have one more thing to fix and adjust, while the electrics are ready to go and all they need is basic maintenance and a charger.
I have a 26x28 garage and a 02 ram 1500 4x4 so space isn't the issue. It's purely a convenience thing. The 400-450's can sit on the front seat all safe and away from the tools and such. I can go about my daily business and bust it out for a flight or 2 during lunch or at the lumber yard. It's just easier for me. That's all. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers but I enjoy the "back and forth" too much.

Ahhhhhhhhhh, strong opinions. Wars have been started, countries have been lost and women have been won but 20 years from now is anyone really gonna give a ..... That's why I just enjoy it while it lasts. IMO worst that could happen is I could learn something.

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk

05-05-2008 02:53 AM

HOMEPAGE

Pull-n-Pitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Mt. Dora, Florida (USA)

Speeddemon370--
Good copy on that buddy....
Hey, I like all the "Head" bangin' but only in good ol fashion fun!

Fire_Paramedic- I know alot of Firefighters and they are the hardest workin', honest people that will go into a burning building to get you out, even when the rats and roaches are running away!

RR is a excellent website and the debate of "which" bird or "Electric vs Nitro" will go on forever....
Welcome aboard, AS long as it is all in good fun and no direct cut downs to a individual. I won't cut a person down.....
NOW WHICH IS BETTER NITRO OR ELECTRIC???????:D

I don't think we should go there tonight!

05-05-2008 03:04 AM

george0079
Elite Veteran
Location: Terra Firma

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I don't think we should go there tonight!

I agree.

But nitro is still better....

The older I get, the shorter my attention....... Oh look. A shiny penny..

Steve

05-05-2008 03:07 AM

speeddemon370
Veteran
Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

HAHA, I have to admit I didn't expect this thread to take the type of turn it did. Lol. What a great way to spend a sunday evening.

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk

05-05-2008 04:15 AM

HOMEPAGE

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