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440GTX
Veteran
Location: Calgary, Canada

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It is *totally* true. Your Country *could* do it, but CHOOSES not to do it. The US could not do it since we import most of our oil.

Something is not right here Ron.
Most of the OIL companies in Canada are American owned.
All the major ones execpt for Shell.
05-02-2008 05:28 PM
 
 
Topher
Veteran
Location: Grosse Ile, Michigan

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Now there were numerous allied countries in the war other than yourselves. To name but a few, there was The UK, France, Belgium and Italy.

Uh...Italy wasn't on our side buddy. They were part of the Axis of Evil. You UK guys can be pissed all you want but there were US troops fighting with you during the beginnings of WWII even though the US wasn't "officially" involved. And everyone knows pearl harbor was invoked by the US government so we would get involved. Blame the Japenese for taking so long to attack.

BTW, who gives @#$% about France anyway?

Get a life? How the hell do you fly a life?
05-02-2008 05:50 PM
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1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

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Uh...Italy wasn't on our side buddy.

Bwahahahaha!!!! Like I said.... A very skewed view of history!

Hat man dir mal ins Gehirn geschissen und vergessen umzuruhren?
05-02-2008 06:04 PM
 
 
SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

skewed is being a bit kind...

Completely twisted is a better way of looking at his view of WWII.

If you avoid failure, you also avoid success.
05-02-2008 07:32 PM
 
 
krav
Heliman
Location: Portsmouth - UK

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Uh...Italy wasn't on our side buddy.

[quote]Bwahahahaha!!!! Like I said.... A very skewed view of history![quote]

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha... if you feel the need to spout really spout of about history then you should really learn the fact.


On September 8 Italy surrenders. Three weeks later Badoglio signs an agreement committing Italy to change sides. And on October 13 Italy declares war on her recent ally, Germany.

The difference between a genius and a fool is that a genius has limitations.
05-02-2008 08:37 PM
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krav
Heliman
Location: Portsmouth - UK

Oops, forgot to say that was is 1943.

The difference between a genius and a fool is that a genius has limitations.
05-02-2008 08:38 PM
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krav
Heliman
Location: Portsmouth - UK

I know, I know... should have been "was in" not "was is". My keyboard produces word salad without me knowing about it, that's my excuse anyway

The difference between a genius and a fool is that a genius has limitations.
05-02-2008 08:40 PM
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helimatt
Elite Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

Which explains why my Dad flew missions out of Italy later in the War. He flew 23 missions from England, then the remainder of the 50 total out of Italy (B17's). Things were very tough there for the Italians at that time...

I think overall the whole world was reluctant to get into another massive conflict after the carnage of WWI. At first we were content, infact wanted to believe Hitler's lies about his plans and aspirations after invading Poland. "Peace in Our Time" to quote Champerlain.

Nobody really wanted to, but as was pointed out, Americans volunteered to fight along side our UK friends to help quelch the Nazis and Italians. Some even joined up the Canadian forces just to have that opportunity. And we were giving much support in supplies and equipment and engineering talent and logistical support...I am not a history expert, and probably should learn a lot more about these things, but I don't buy into the consiracy theories about Pearl Harbor. Maybe just because of what I've been taught.

Nobody in their right mind wants to join a war. Sometimes its necessary.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
05-02-2008 08:46 PM
 
 
krav
Heliman
Location: Portsmouth - UK

Finally a non ranting and raving post.

Nice one Helimatt

Takes a lot of guts flying out into the unknown.

The difference between a genius and a fool is that a genius has limitations.
05-02-2008 08:59 PM
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helimatt
Elite Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

It is one of the things that gives me a profound respect for my Dad and others like him. He was 20 yrs old, dropped out of college to sign up, it must have been blindingly frightening the first time flack began popping all around the formations.

Now those times are some of the few things he still remembers well.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
05-02-2008 09:22 PM
 
 
krav
Heliman
Location: Portsmouth - UK

Yup, loads of respect for all of the guys who took part.

Bloody UK has gone that bad with the compensation culture that many of the local councils are stopping rememberence parades incase someone falls over as makes a claim... bloody terrible.

No more dropping poppies from the air incase someone gets one in the eye and sues. No more pins incase blah blah blah, different era, different generation and different values.

The difference between a genius and a fool is that a genius has limitations.
05-02-2008 09:37 PM
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helimatt
Elite Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

I'll say this though...
Gas prices are too high.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
05-02-2008 09:40 PM
 
 
webbhost
Key Veteran
Location: england - Leicester

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I'm not going to look for the statistics right now but I can tell you with 100% assurance that our country provided the majority of troops, supplies, equipment and money to wage that damned war.

Idiot. Even if you did provide the majority of troops supplies and equipment that "ENDED" the war, the only reason we (the UK) did NOT have all these supplies is because we spent the last 4 years fighting them and depleting our sources whilst you sat on your fat asses.

Does this mean that if YOU spent 4 years running around dodging bullets and losing all the fat off ur ass until your sources and equipment were depleted, then we came with our mighty stash that we built up "WE" would have been the "big almighty heroes"? I didn't b*****y think so. The difference is we would be able to admit it.

We would have been the cowards that didn't dare take any involvement until we were personally attacked. You are no different so stop being a complete nobrot and deal with it.

meh
05-02-2008 11:03 PM
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RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

440GTX

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Something is not right here Ron.
Most of the OIL companies in Canada are American owned.
All the major ones execpt for Shell.

Your Country could still do it if they wanted. They could kick out those company's and start a Govt Company. They CHOOSE not to do it.

Your Country produces enough that you do not have to import. The US uses more than we can produce.

Your Country could, but does not.
The US could not.
05-02-2008 11:04 PM
 
 
webbhost
Key Veteran
Location: england - Leicester

Just for the fun of it we might aswell add that if the USA didn't keep guzzling fuel like it was water that the fuel prices might not be so high? You spend all day sitting down, eating burgers and doughnuts, and as a result, you need a car to move across 1 block!

Funny how you make such complaints about your gas prices, yet you are the only nation that doesn't seem to give a f**k about doing anything to be green like the rest of us. If you started walking a bit more, you wouldn't need as much fuel making it cheaper in the first place, and there would be better supply meaning cheaper fuel.

meh
05-02-2008 11:06 PM
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webbhost
Key Veteran
Location: england - Leicester

P.S. This conversation amuses me.

meh
05-02-2008 11:08 PM
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darrens
Key Veteran
Location: United Kingdom

It amuses me too, especially when these so called American "experts" talk about me being skewed saying that Italy faught as our allies. Just goes to show how they know very little about anything outside of their own country.
Topher, 1stPlace and umdpru..........try learning to read, then come here and enjoy an intelligent debate, for you have just made yourselves look even more dumb with the last comments you make.
I was finding this amusing, but now I know the competition is so stupid, I am finding less so. You 3 should stay quiet now, go away with your tails between you legs. You have been weighed, measured and found wanting.
Just skulk away losers and pretend like it's Vietnam. You are right though about my 10% being wrong and it's my fault, I am sometimes over generous.....so shall we agree at 8.5%
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I'm not going to look for the statistics right now but I can tell you with 100% assurance that our country provided the majority of troops, supplies, equipment and money to wage that damned war.
even more philanthopy.....except for the fact that we only finished paying you off in 2007 for all those supplies, equipment and money and frankly pal, you ripped us off on the interest you charge. But hey, I forgot to say thanks again for allowing us to make you rich.

He who dies with the most toys is the winner!
05-03-2008 12:12 AM
 
 
1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

PISS OFF, YOU DICK HEADS!


Hat man dir mal ins Gehirn geschissen und vergessen umzuruhren?
05-03-2008 12:33 AM
 
 
440GTX
Veteran
Location: Calgary, Canada

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Your Country could still do it if they wanted. They could kick out those company's and start a Govt Company. They CHOOSE not to do it.

I don't think so Ron
Kicking out all the US owned oil companies.
Are you kidding. The Goverment has trouble just collecting Oil and Gas royalities and managing that .
Let alone run a gov. oil company. Good JOKE !
Good reason they choose not to.
That would be a finical disaster for Canada
Every body knows that. Or I thought they did .
Canada has the second largest oil reserve in the world
That would cause an extra 250,000 unemployed.
That would wipe out 20 % of the TSX . Billions
The US owned oil companies keep Alberta rolling.
They inject Billions into the economy each year.
Of course at the expense of high oil prices.
05-03-2008 02:35 AM
 
 
RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

440GTX

Lets look back.

Brovic777 said:
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Again, this confirms my Hero Hugo Chavez from Venezuela has the cheapest gas prices in the world.

I replied that the US was not able to do that:
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They can do that since they EXPORT oil, the US does not have that ability. The only countries that can afford to do that are oil producing ones.

He agreed.

The YOU hop in:

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Not True Ron.
Canada is an oil producing country . It has very large oil and gas fields. It Exports 93,000 barrells of oil per day to the US.
( I think thats is the number )
Why are we paying $ 4.50 at the pumps ?

And I correctly show that Canada could stop exports and supply Canada with its own means.

I even say "Your Country could very well subsidize the cost to its citizens...It has made the choice not to do that. And I think that is a wise choice since every subsidized country has ever increasing demand and high pollution rates."

You point out that most of the Oil companies are US owned. Correct...But unimportant to this discussion.

I point out that your Country produces oil at a rate equal to consumption and the US has to import oil to meet demands.

Therefore, Canada *COULD* subsidize oil just like Venezuela but chooses not to do that. The US could not.

Now you go on about how free enterprise works better than Govt owned oil company's. Where have I said anything about that? Fact is your Country COULD do it, but does not....Again a smart move...And the US could not.

What EXACTLY is your argument? Are you arguing just to do it? You have provided not one fact to support any claim.

If your claim is that free enterprise can do a better job than a Govt agency...Well you don't have to sell me on that one.

If your claim is that Canada does not produce more oil than it consumes....You have provided not data to back that up.

You state how much better it is for American companies to run the oil production....And how much money it brings to Canada...then complain about how much it costs. But then complain about how much worse it would be if your Govt ran it?

So could you please maybe re-state your position?

I'll restate mine:

Canada being an exporter of oil could adopt a system just like Venezuela. I think it would be a bad idea, but it *could* be done.

The US being an IMPORTER of oil CANNOT adopt a system like Venezuela since consumption in the US is greater than production.
05-03-2008 03:48 AM
 
 
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