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darrens
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Location: United Kingdom

1stPlace

I sure agree that Iraq was a coalition and our government went there willingly. As an aside, it would have never had happed if put to a public vote.

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I am saying you're welcome on behalf of the hundreds of thousands dead American soldiers that fought for your country during WWI and WWII. If it wasn't for them, you would be speaking Deutsch with the French.

However, regarding this comment, you are very ill informed. We requested assistance from America on numerous occassions and it was refused. Your country only decided to fight after Pearl Harbour when the war had directly affected your nation. So your late entry into WWII was for selfish reasons alone and your soldiers faught for your country, not ours. If you have be taught differently, then ignore such propoganda!!!
As an aside, the UK did in fact break the Japanese code in advance of Pearl Harbour but witheld that info knowing it was the only thing that would get you in the fight. Drastic measures I admit!!
So, yes, we needed your help to finish a fight that was long in the tooth before your country joined and we may have lost it without you. But your assistance was not given willingly and when originally needed and asked for, only when you had a real national interest.

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Do you enjoy speaking English? Good, you're welcome....

this is also somewhat rediculous, as you speak English (our language i.e. From England) and it is you who should be grateful for without us, you would have no means to comunicate your personal lack of knowledge.

He who dies with the most toys is the winner!
05-01-2008 06:15 PM
 
 
1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

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However, regarding this comment, you are very ill informed.

I know history very well. I am not misinformed.

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Your country only decided to fight after Pearl Harbour when the war had directly affected your nation. So your late entry into WWII was for selfish reasons alone and your soldiers faught for your country, not ours. If you have be taught differently, then ignore such propoganda!!!

No, The U.S. could have ignored all of the UK's requests. Minding our own business is what made the U.S. so strong in the first place. Now that we are in everyones affairs, the world uses us as the scape goat for all of the worlds ills. Personally, I think the U.S. should return to that philosophy and stay the hell out of all foreign wars, unless we are directly attacked on our soil.

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As an aside, the UK did in fact break the Japanese code in advance of Pearl Harbour but witheld that info knowing it was the only thing that would get you in the fight. Drastic measures I admit!!

Really? Can you quote a reputable source for that theory. There are three other popular conspiracy theories.

Entering the war was debated for several years before we were attacked. Pearl Harbor was the final impetus that forced us into war.

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But your assistance was not given willingly and when originally needed and asked for, only when you had a real national interest.

As it should be.

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Do you enjoy speaking English? Good, you're welcome....

this is also somewhat rediculous, as you speak English (our language i.e. From England)and it is you who should be grateful for without us, you would have no means to comunicate your personal lack of knowledge.

Yes! Thank you for the best language ever developed. I also speak German and I am learning Spanish. You know, so I can communicate with my relatives...(and the Mexican Invaders ).

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and it is you who should be grateful for without us, you would have no means to comunicate your personal lack of knowledge.

Nice personal attack Your "holier than thou" attitude disgusts me. I have no desire to debate an intellectual elitist snob like you.

Cheers

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05-01-2008 06:58 PM
 
 
SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

darens,

regardless of what brought about our involvement in WWII, we came, we saw, we kicked ass!

You wouldn't be speaking English if we didn't supply you "Lot" before we even formerly declared war. Conveniently forgot that tidbit huh?

Do your homework mang!
05-01-2008 07:01 PM
 
 
krav
Heliman
Location: Portsmouth - UK

Ah, supply us lot... under the lend-lease scheme, for which you were paid back I believe.

also as an added bonus,

The U.S. entry into the war helped to get the nation's economy back on its feet following the depression. Although just ten years before jobs were very difficult to come by, there were now jobs for nearly everyone who wanted one. With the creation of 17 million new jobs during the war, workers were afforded the opportunity to pay off old debts, as well as to begin saving some of their earnings.

By all accounts, Lend-Lease was crucial to enabling Great Britain and the Soviet Union to fight the Axis, not least before the United States formally entered the war in December 1941. (Though scholars are still assessing the impact of Lend-Lease on these two major allies, it is likely that both countries could have continued to wage war against Germany without American aid, which seems to have served largely to augment the British and Soviet armed forces and to have shortened the time necessary to retake the military offensive against Germany.)

The U.S.'s Position at the End of the War At a macroeconomic scale, the war not only decisively ended the Great Depression, but created the conditions for productive postwar collaboration between the federal government, private enterprise, and organized labor, the parties whose tripartite collaboration helped engender continued economic growth after the war. The U.S. emerged from the war not physically unscathed, but economically strengthened by wartime industrial expansion, which placed the United States at absolute and relative advantage over both its allies and its enemies.

So therefore, by being invited/forced to take part it helped put your country where it is now. Let's all stand up and thank Hitler for helping to make your nation as strong as it is now

This is getting boring now as we are all meant to be on the same side... I'd still rather be paying $4.50 per gallon that nearer $10

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05-01-2008 07:42 PM
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440GTX
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Location: Calgary, Canada

Well ............. Back to Gas prices
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Ours hit $4.13 a gallon yesterday
I paid 4.78 per us gallon last night
Got ya beat
05-01-2008 07:47 PM
 
 
krav
Heliman
Location: Portsmouth - UK

Cheaper to buy beer than fuel, then walk home.
Less fuel = more beer money.
Plus the walk home will keep you fit so it's a win/win situation.

The difference between a genius and a fool is that a genius has limitations.
05-01-2008 07:56 PM
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Brovic777
Elite Veteran
Location: Los Angeles, CA

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I paid 4.78 per us gallon last night

WOW, thats the best deal in the whole planet.

And...... you get free Universal Healthcare with that.

Man, I need to move to Canada!!!!

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05-01-2008 07:59 PM
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1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

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I'd still rather be paying $4.50 per gallon that nearer $10

How abut $8.91 GBP per gallon and a $1098.00 GPB per month for health insurance for you and the wife?

Hat man dir mal ins Gehirn geschissen und vergessen umzuruhren?
05-01-2008 08:04 PM
 
 
1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

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Man, I need to move to Canada!!!!

We won't stop you!

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05-01-2008 08:06 PM
 
 
darrens
Key Veteran
Location: United Kingdom

umdpru

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regardless of what brought about our involvement in WWII, we came, we saw, we kicked ass!

Whether you fought or faught well was not the question, the debate was over what caused you to join the war and what were your motives for joining. If you are going to interject, do try to keep up please Mr Gung-ho!!!!!

1stPlace

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The U.S. could have ignored all of the UK's requests

But you did.....for 4 long years, my point entirely.

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Entering the war was debated for several years before we were attacked. Pearl Harbor was the final impetus that forced us into war.

But only moments earlier you were saying I was wrong, it wasn't due to Pearl Harbour and you entered the war to help us in a philanthropic manner, rushing in to save our poor soles out the goodness of your hearts like the heroes you think you are. All I say is that your motives were selfish and based on the personal attack your country suffered (yes, I pity your dead soldiers) at Pearl Harbour.
What I find offensive (along with the fact that you think we owe you for a language when the reverse is clearly true), it that a minority of Americans (you and Mr Gung-ho) seem to believe that you were our saviours, that you faught and won the whole war and that we should be grateful for you saving our poor little country, when the reality was that you finally pitch up to the fight only when it affected you. With this in mind, I view it as yet another coalition of mutual interest, just like Iraq and your "we saved your asses" attitude is inaccurate and misguided. This combined with your obvious self contradiction makes you sound very, very dumb.

He who dies with the most toys is the winner!
05-01-2008 08:10 PM
 
 
krav
Heliman
Location: Portsmouth - UK

How abut $8.91 GBP per gallon and a $1098.00 GPB per month for health insurance for you and the wife?

Nice of you to offer 1stPlace but I don't need health insurance as apparently mine is free.

The difference between a genius and a fool is that a genius has limitations.
05-01-2008 08:10 PM
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Brovic777
Elite Veteran
Location: Los Angeles, CA

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Nice of you to offer 1stPlace but I don't need health insurance as apparently mine is free.

Man, the UK sounds really good too now!!!

We got the most power nation in the world, and why the heck can't we get that?? Man..............

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05-01-2008 08:12 PM
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krav
Heliman
Location: Portsmouth - UK

Brovic... that's the same question we are asking all the time

Where I live it is impossible to get seen by an NHS (free) dentist, why, because there are next to none left. They all went private and charge a few hundred bucks for a quick filling. Yet we still have to pay towards the "free stuff" as it is compulsory. Paying twice springs to mind, paying for something you can't use sucks.

Ahh well, it is what it is

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05-01-2008 08:19 PM
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Brovic777
Elite Veteran
Location: Los Angeles, CA

Do you guys think our gas prices will ever go back down to $1.50 a gallon?

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05-01-2008 08:30 PM
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1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

No

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05-01-2008 08:33 PM
 
 
Big Pockets
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

Hell no There's no way there making to much money they will never drop it that low. We will get use to it this price and keep taking like we have been taking it..
05-01-2008 08:33 PM
 
 
Brovic777
Elite Veteran
Location: Los Angeles, CA

Man, we are screwed for sure then.

My next car is gonna be a hybrid.

Hopefully, they will come out with some killer lookin hybrid's.

Why do they always gotta make these "Save the Earth" cars so dang ugly though????

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05-01-2008 08:47 PM
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1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

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This combined with your obvious self contradiction makes you sound very, very dumb.

What contradiction? Please point out where I said we fought the war to save your country. I never did. You assumed that's what I think. Your'e wrong! It's not a contradiction. I clearly said that we should not fight foreign wars unless we are attacked on our soil. It is because we have "helped" so many other countries with our military, that the rest of the world continues to bash us. Screw them all! Let them fight their own damn battles and feed themselves. It's not our business and it never should have been.

The fact remains that you may have lost the war without our help. We did help you. Our soldiers died along side yours and all you do is bash us and blame us for all the ills of the world. Piss off!

Hat man dir mal ins Gehirn geschissen und vergessen umzuruhren?
05-01-2008 09:13 PM
 
 
RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

brovic777

brovic777...

Are you paying attention when the Britts write things like:

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Where I live it is impossible to get seen by an NHS (free) dentist, why, because there are next to none left. They all went private and charge a few hundred bucks for a quick filling. Yet we still have to pay towards the "free stuff" as it is compulsory. Paying twice springs to mind, paying for something you can't use sucks.

There is a joke in there about Britts and their teeth....But, I'll leave that one alone
05-01-2008 10:02 PM
 
 
darrens
Key Veteran
Location: United Kingdom

What contradiction!!!!! Are you kidding????

You say
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hundreds of thousands dead American soldiers that fought for your (meaning UK) country during WWI and WWII

Then you say
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"I think the U.S. should return to that philosophy and stay the hell out of all foreign wars, unless we are directly attacked on our soil"
Clearly expressing that you think your country used to fight wars only when attacked and were fighting to defend themselves i.e. for selfish reason.

I then say you only jumped in at the end after it affected you at Pearl Harbour.....you disagreed with that too and reply with a direct NO!
Then you say
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Pearl Harbor was the final impetus that forced us into war

And you wonder why I think you contradictory????

FACT You joined the war towards the end because it affected you all of a sudden....there's nothing wrong with that.

I quite agree with you that we (US and UK) should stay out of other countries unless directly effected, but don't go around giving the impression you did us a favour as most historians would suggest your involvement was a catalysts to a most likey foregone conclusion.

Being proud of your country is great, claiming greatness where it is not demonstrated is just pure obnoxious.

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The fact remains that you may have lost the war without our help. We did help you. Our soldiers died along side yours and all you do is bash us and blame us for all the ills of the world

You should write "with our involvement" not "with our help". Help is when you go to someone's aid when they need it. We needed it 4 years earlier but your country wouldn't come until it affected the USA. I'm not "bashing" you for it, just don't want you to claim it was something different to the act of self preservation your nation took. As for blaming your country for the ills of the world, please quote me as this looks like further demonstration of your confusion.

As for telling me to piss off.....you further demonstrate to RR readers your lack of ability to have a sensible and meaningful conversation. Perhaps in your case I should take my language back and do your neighbours a favour!!!

He who dies with the most toys is the winner!
05-01-2008 10:04 PM
 
 
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