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Big Pockets
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

Try and help me understand something. When i leve in the morning for work and drive by my local fuel station the price on diesel could be 4.29 a gallon. When coming home from work the same day passing the same fuel station the price jumps to 4.35 a gallon. That barrel of oil has allready been bought so how can they keep changing the price on it. Now let me get this right that is the same fuel from the morning but is worth more. WTF That is like going to the store in the morning and getting a loaf of bread and then coming back in the evening and buying the same loaf of bread and it coasting me .30 cents more... Our own people are doing it to us...
04-27-2008 07:22 PM
 
 
1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

A Primer on Gas Prices

Why do gasoline prices fluctuate?
Even when crude oil prices are stable, gasoline prices normally fluctuate due to factors such as seasonality and local retail station competition. Additionally, gasoline prices can change rapidly due to crude oil supply disruptions stemming from world events, or domestic problems such as refinery or pipeline outages.

Seasonality in the demand for gasoline - When crude oil prices are stable, retail gasoline prices tend to gradually rise before and during the summer, when people drive more, and fall in the winter. Good weather and vacations cause U.S. summer gasoline demand to average about 5 percent higher than during the rest of the year. If crude oil prices remain unchanged, gasoline prices would typically increase by 10-20 cents from January to the summer.

Changes in the cost of crude oil - Events in crude oil markets were a major factor in all but one of the five run-ups in gasoline prices between 1992 and 1997, according to the National Petroleum Council’s study, U.S. Petroleum Supply - Inventory Dynamics. About 47 barrels of gasoline are produced from every 100 barrels of crude oil processed at U. S. refineries, with other refined products making up the remainder.

Crude oil prices are determined by worldwide supply and demand, with significant influence by the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC). Since it was organized in 1960, OPEC has tried to keep world oil prices at its target level by setting an upper production limit on its members. OPEC has the potential to influence oil prices worldwide because its members possess such a great portion of the world’s oil supply, accounting for about 40 percent of the world’s production of crude oil and holding more than two-thirds of the world’s estimated crude oil reserves. Additionally, increased demand for gasoline and other refined products in the United States and the rest of the world is also exerting upward pressure on crude oil prices.

Rapid gasoline price increases have occurred in response to crude oil shortages caused by, for example, the Arab oil embargo in 1973, the Iranian revolution in 1978, the Iran/Iraq war in 1980, and the Persian Gulf conflict in 1990. Gasoline price increases in recent years have been due in part to OPEC crude oil production cuts, turmoil in key oil producing countries, and problems with petroleum infrastructure (e.g., refineries and pipelines) within the United States. Additionally, increased demand for gasoline and other petroleum products in the United States and the rest of the world is also exerting upward pressure on prices.

Product supply/demand imbalances - If demand rises quickly or supply declines unexpectedly due to refinery production problems or lagging imports, gasoline inventories (stocks) may decline rapidly. When stocks are low and falling, some wholesalers become concerned that supplies may not be adequate over the short term and bid higher for available product. Such imbalances have occurred when a region has changed from one fuel type to another (e.g., to cleaner-burning gasoline) as refiners and marketers adjust to the new product. Gasoline may be less expensive in one summer when supplies are plentiful vs. another summer when they are not. These are normal price fluctuations, experienced in all commodity markets. However, prices of basic energy (gasoline, electricity, natural gas, heating oil) are generally more volatile than prices of other commodities. One reason is that consumers are limited in their ability to substitute between fuels when the price for gasoline, for example, fluctuates. So, while consumers can substitute readily between food products when relative prices shift, most do not have that option in fueling their vehicles.

Prices of basic energy (gasoline, electricity, natural gas, heating oil) are generally more volatile than prices of other commodities. One reason is that consumers are limited in their ability to substitute between fuels when the price for gasoline, for example, fluctuates. So, while consumers can substitute readily between food products when relative prices shift, most do not have that option in fueling their vehicles.

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04-27-2008 07:26 PM
 
 
Big Pockets
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

It's crazy how exxon can brag about profit records.
04-27-2008 07:30 PM
 
 
1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

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It's crazy how exxon can brag about profit records.

Record demand = Record Profits. Buy stock!

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04-27-2008 07:33 PM
 
 
1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

One of the largest factors right now, is media speculation about oil prices.... They have consistently speculated higher and higher prices. The commodities trading market is where the price is set, and like the stock market, it goes up and down by the minute... In this case, it mostly keeps going up.

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04-27-2008 07:37 PM
 
 
Dave M
Senior Heliman
Location: Mi.

Quote 
Record demand = Record Profits. Buy stock!


Unemployed due to crappy market = no spare funds= no stock purchases.

It's OK....It's not your fault !!!
04-27-2008 08:09 PM
 
 
1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

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Occupation: Village Idiot

Well, I guess there are a lot of village idiots. Competition must be fierce!

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04-27-2008 08:32 PM
 
 
Dave M
Senior Heliman
Location: Mi.

Yep...at least I'm not alone.

It's OK....It's not your fault !!!
04-27-2008 08:42 PM
 
 
Brovic777
Elite Veteran
Location: Los Angeles, CA

Last I checked on the way home from work Friday was gas was at $4.11 a gallon. Diesel was at $4.59.

But, at least I've been blessed to have a job right now. I feel very bad for the 80,000 folks who last their jobs last month. And its getting worse.

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04-27-2008 08:58 PM
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Big Pockets
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

I know it is really sad. sucks
04-27-2008 09:04 PM
 
 
rmschmidt
Senior Heliman
Location: Tooele, Utah

It is pure THEFT!
04-27-2008 09:54 PM
 
 
Brovic777
Elite Veteran
Location: Los Angeles, CA

We should Nationalize all oil sales in the United States, and pump any profits back into the economy!!!!

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04-27-2008 09:59 PM
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Big Pockets
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

brovic777 I like it good idea
04-27-2008 10:27 PM
 
 
helo_chris
Veteran
Location: goodlettsville, tn

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We should Nationalize all oil sales in the United States, and pump any profits back into the economy!!!!

Yeah, that would work.

Oh wait no it wouldnt. You cant sell something for cheaper than you can buy it... Even if you do nationalize it.

The reason oil prices are rising is because of demand, China and India as well as US and Russian growth are causing tightened supply chains. The reason you see prices at the pump fluctuate the way they do is because fuel is priced at what it costs to replace it not what you paid for it. Gas is a pretty fast moving commodity, they dont keep large supplies on hand. If they were to price it based on what their current inventory cost then long term they would have cash flow issues and wouldnt have the cash on hand to replace supply. They would end up in the situation of having to borrow money to replenish stock.

"There is a fine line between cutting edge and bleeding edge.."
04-27-2008 10:33 PM
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Rob_T
Elite Veteran
Location: Tualatin, OR - USA

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The reason oil prices are rising is because of demand, China and India as well as US and Russian growth are causing tightened supply chains.

That doesn't explain how a gallon of diesel still costs $2 in Mexico.

If it were purely world market factors, the price of a gallon of diesel would have gone up everywhere.

The real reason that we pay so much for gas is that we're willing to. World demand has gone up it's true, but the prices from Mexico show that this is an excuse not a reason. (I guess that means their market is less willing to pay more...)


Rob
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04-28-2008 07:46 AM
 
 
kryptik
Heliman
Location: South Carolina

It's called Capitalism. If it's not working out for you, I hear Russia is nice...China, too.

Latine loqui coactus sum, quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur...
04-28-2008 11:57 AM
 
 
helo_chris
Veteran
Location: goodlettsville, tn

Mexico is a net exporter of oil, and one of the largest. So the price at the pump there isnt affected by the market price of crude because theirs comes off the top. So no it isnt an excuse. Same thing with Venezuela and many of the Middle Eastern companies where fuel is so cheap at the pump. The supply is coming from them, so they keep what they need and set the price accordingly.

"There is a fine line between cutting edge and bleeding edge.."
04-28-2008 12:01 PM
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MrNiceGuy
Heliman
Location: Rockledge, FL

Don't forget the weakening dollar. That's hurting us quite a bit. Look what the exchange rate for the Euro is. It used to be about 1:1 not that long ago. Now it's 1.57 dollars to one Euro. So one our dollar only gets us .63 Euros. Ouch
04-28-2008 12:54 PM
 
 
Rob_T
Elite Veteran
Location: Tualatin, OR - USA

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Mexico is a net exporter of oil, and one of the largest. So the price at the pump there isnt affected by the market price of crude because theirs comes off the top. So no it isnt an excuse. Same thing with Venezuela and many of the Middle Eastern companies where fuel is so cheap at the pump. The supply is coming from them, so they keep what they need and set the price accordingly.


Alaska is a net exporter of oil. Alaska does not have lower prices.

What's going on in the US is a non competitive market. The normal force that acts to limit profit, i.e. a hungry startup prepared to enter the market with a lower margin, isn't happening because of the astronomical costs involved in opening a new refinery. Therefore the price rises to the maximum that the market will bear.

Electric cars are just starting to make some inroads to introduce competition, but setting up the required high performance charging stations to remove range limits is also expensive infrastructure so the roll-out is slow. A government that didn't have oil men at the top might divert some money to make this happen quicker. As it is, the main thrust of tax incentives is to put money into corn growers pockets while adding an additive that makes most engines less fuel efficient. (Most cars lose 10% MPG running on E10, but the energy content of E10 is only 3% less than straight gas.)


Rob
Eco8, Piccolo Fun, Shogun, HB Elite CP, Trex 450XL CDE, Swift
04-28-2008 05:34 PM
 
 
snobdrs
Senior Heliman
Location: coatesville,pa-usa

Its all a joke. Country run by the government that run by money. Oil companys making record profits...... Alittle money in this guys pocket and a little in that guys and its not a problem. Meanwhile the price of everything goes up, except our paychecks. And well give everyone 600 bucks back, and then expect us to buy stuff with it. Yea ill buy stuff with it. Gass.... and pay off my other bills, oh yea and remember to keep the reciept for the 600 cuz youll have to pay the taxes on that next year. What a joke.
We need change in this country. we need a revolution.

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04-28-2008 05:44 PM
 
 
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