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HIROBO Freya - Sceadu - Shuttle > ATTENTION: Preliminary CAD Drawings for NEW Hirobo 90
 
 
Tomas Ahl
Senior Heliman
Location: Linköping, Sweden

This is taking a detour from the Turbulence D3...

The CCPM/SWM conversion for the Freya EVO has part number 0414-213 and is Hirobo blue metal so it costs some, it's the same as was used for the original Freya. It's 120° so if you want 135°/140° that's not available.
05-16-2008 05:10 AM
 
 
FS+
Senior Heliman
Location: BKK

the old parts use in several previous version of Hirobo save cost to use with new heli but my idea said..it not match the year 2008 and the name of HIROBO (the great)

Hirobo should consider design a new style of canopy and landing gear strut..

I know it more cost but not a lot... as i ever done here in Thailand the estimate cost will be about $1500 for Strut plastic injection mold and $1100 for canopy blow mold

Happy helicopter
05-18-2008 05:58 PM
 
 
synodontis
Veteran
Location: United Kingdom

If that's the case FS+ they why don't more companies do this? I though moulds costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. That's why you prototype everything in metal first to test out.
05-18-2008 07:19 PM
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

Hard production tooling designed for millions of cycles cost lots of money. Aluminum molds for 1500 piece runs cost a lot less.

TM

"If you can do it, it ain’t bragging." - Will Rogers
05-18-2008 08:20 PM
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synodontis
Veteran
Location: United Kingdom

is that because they lose their hardness/sharpness over time and get worn down.

What material are the moulds made out of for millions of cycles? Fancy alloys?
05-18-2008 09:04 PM
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

Heating and cooling cycles wear the forms out of tolerance, pins and ejectors wear and need to be replaced over time.

The base materials could be S7, H13, 4150, P20, CPM 10V or NAK55. There are a lot of other materials that are used as well but these are the popular steels.

TM

"If you can do it, it ain’t bragging." - Will Rogers
05-18-2008 10:54 PM
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FS+
Senior Heliman
Location: BKK

YES YES YES

the liquid hot plastic also destroy the mold tolerance too..
but believe me ..within 10,000 cycles of injection - the first shot parts and last shot almost the same (very very) Do you think Hirobo will made those new parts and include in kit? or made as upgrade part :-)

Why JR vibe performance can not match the T-rex600nitro?
because JR not investment for new parts like new ratio Maingear,
and skid strut :-)


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Heating and cooling cycles wear the forms out of tolerance, pins and ejectors wear and need to be replaced over time.

The base materials could be S7, H13, 4150, P20, CPM 10V or NAK55. There are a lot of other materials that are used as well but these are the popular steels.

TM

"If you can do it, it ain’t bragging." - Will Rogers

Happy helicopter
05-19-2008 05:07 AM
 
 
pariah
Senior Heliman
Location: West Valley City, UT - United States of America

When I heard of a new .90 from Hirobo, I put my plans on buying a .90 machine on hold, at least until I've learned what Hirobo's new machine is.

After looking at Miniature Aircraft and Hirobo .90's, I can't say that Miniature's quality is lacking... nor is their performance.

I don't have a 90 (I'm looking around for the moment...), but it seems that most agree that a lighter helicopter is a desirable thing. At 4900g, the turbulence seems to weigh in at a full pound - or 10% more than the Stratus. It seems that any advantage the additional pitch the rotor head can provide would be more than eaten up by the additional mass that must be shoved around.

I can't help but worry that Hirobo will decide to sell their machine at a price point substantially higher than their competition; the "prestige brand" idea is a delusion. I love Hirobo, but I'll pass them by in a heartbeat if they price themselves higher than Miniature, JR, Synergy, or Avant - ie. the competition.

Sure, Hirobo will still sell the Freya, but the Freya is one of the oldest designs still on the market. In a hobby where thousands throw out perfectly good radios to get the "new shiny" spread spectrum, I can't help but wonder if sales of the Freya will essentially halt entirely.


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Helicopters & Women: The last thing I want is one whose head has a few loose screws.
05-19-2008 06:43 AM
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ssrobzoom
Veteran
Location: Tn

Pricing needs to be competitive with existing machines.

700-900 dollar range.
05-23-2008 04:35 PM
 
 
pariah
Senior Heliman
Location: West Valley City, UT - United States of America

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Pricing needs to be competitive with existing machines.

700-900 dollar range.

The only machine in that range that I can pick off the top of my head is the Trex 700n. Raptor and Freya are cheaper, and Synergy, Avant, JR, Bergen, Miniature, are more expensive.

I'd say it's more realistic to expect it in the range of 1,000-1400.

Given it's an import machine (unlike Avant, Bergen, Miniature, and Synergy), it will suffer from the currently weak dollar.

Keep in mind, the Hirobo is built as an 'ultimate' machine - when Hirobo says no upgrades, they mean it. The 'ultimate' Sceadu EX is around $1300, so I'd expect a few hundred more for a .90 sized machine. Another thing to consider - Hirobo's Lepton costs more than the Freya.

I think the weak dollar and its likely higher price overall are going to make it difficult for the Turbulence to compete in the US, though it'll have an easier time in Europe and Asia. I suspect this may be one reason Hirobo will continue to produce the Freya, whose only 'fault' is it's an older design.


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Helicopters & Women: The last thing I want is one whose head has a few loose screws.
05-23-2008 06:05 PM
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tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

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Pricing needs to be competitive with existing machines.

Considering what the D3 will most likely have, I doubt that you will find any "competitive" machines with it in the $700 - $900 range. Birds like the high end MA stuff are the closest I can think of, and they aren't even close to that price. Align? I don't think so . . . top of the line versus bargain-basement in build quality . . .

The best is never cheap . . . . and vice-versa - Align proved that!

- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .
05-23-2008 07:39 PM
 
 
slant911
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV. Hirobo, Magnum Fuels, MAH

Couldn't agree more with Tim. You get what you pay for...

If you want a cheap machine then go buy a cheap plastic heli. Likely it will take some "extra" work to get it put together because tight tolerences cost money. It's parts will be cheap to crash and so on. But don't expect it to fly like an expensive machine. It's going to fly like a cheap machine. Plain and simple.

You don't get a Ferrari for a Hyundai price. Both cars will get you to your destination, but just not in the same fashion. That's just how life is


John B. McNamara
05-23-2008 08:26 PM
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ssrobzoom
Veteran
Location: Tn

But just remember, some of the cheap plastic helis will fly just as good as the "Heavy" top of the line models!!
05-24-2008 03:40 AM
 
 
Juggy
Senior Heliman
Location: Pomona, CA-USA

or batter.

Fly the way i want => IRON NUT
05-24-2008 05:06 PM
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slant911
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV. Hirobo, Magnum Fuels, MAH

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But just remember, some of the cheap plastic helis will fly just as good as the "Heavy" top of the line models!!

Not in my years of heli experience. You never get something for nothing in life.


John B. McNamara
05-28-2008 10:55 PM
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Helijost
Senior Heliman
Location: Pevely, MO - USA

I agree.. but knowing Hirobo.... This isn't going to cost something.. It is going to cost BIG TIME!

700N, EVO 50, Caliber 5, Beam 450, and comming soon TREX 9000 :)
05-28-2008 10:56 PM
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Clearance
Veteran
Location: Left Coast Canada

Markedly improve performance by making it FLYBARLESS.

MORE power, fewer parts, longer run times, more stable, more agile.

Right on the leading edge!

KEN
05-30-2008 02:47 AM
 
 
oldboldpilot
Key Veteran
Location: Southern California

Three things I know about Hirobo helis:

1. they fly well;

2. their top-end models last "forever;"

3. customer support is great.

Helis are Man's Defiance of the Laws of Nature - OCHC
06-03-2008 02:42 AM
 
 
TomR
Senior Heliman
Location: Løken, Norway

What about this one? (more canopy, less tailfin and skids.. v7.1)



Team Thunder Tiger
06-18-2008 06:34 PM
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Leif
Elite Veteran
Location: Oxford, PA - USA

Those pictures of the various canopies are just concepts that I put together playing with Photoshop with input from other RR members. Since I'm not affiliated with Hirobo other than being a customer, please don't assume that they're going to use the designs.

It's a lot easier to tweak something in Photoshop than it is to do a full-up 3D design. I'm not wild about the "dogfish" canopy that was shown in the original concept renderings. The stock Freya canopy might be a good alternative, and composite versions of those already exist on the market.

Leif
06-18-2008 06:42 PM
 
 
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