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Avant Aurora - EFX - FX > The mystique is gone
 
 
MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

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If you lost deposit money, your anger should be directed at the company who took your pre-order, not Avant RC. In the mean time, there are other helis out there you can purchase.´

And who promised the reseller company it would be delivered, "soon (tm)"?
04-24-2008 08:54 PM
 
 
Ghia
New Heliman
Location: NM

I agree with David,

The heli isnt out yet so stop belly aching get a refund/store cradit for your deposit, and put whatever gear ya bought into a new ship. I have no sympathy for someone trying to convince everyone his gear is "obsolete" cause its not in a Aurora. Get a different brand and fly it.

It sounds like your the type who needs the latest and greatest heli to show your face at the field. That aditude isnt what this hobby is about so quit acting like a snob. Middle School was how long ago folks??

Is CX in the wrong? Sure they coulda done things different, but they didnt.

Man up and and quit crying. Sad to se what some are trying to make this hobby into.
04-24-2008 09:10 PM
 
 
daved26
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ USA

RonHill

I am not yelling nor am I trying to offend anyone. I just think its silly that you are making such a big deal out of this. You act like this the first time in the history of capitalism that a company has repeatedly missed release dates! There are bigger, more important things in life to be concerned with and you are free to disagree with me.

dave

"I wish my 9C had a reset button"
04-24-2008 09:24 PM
 
 
J.D. Wilson
Elite Veteran
Location: Nashville, TN

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You need to get a life so that you will have something to do when others are happy flying it. Even if it never gets released, so what? Grow up and move on!

This is a very strong and negative statement, quite personal as well. To come right out and say people who come here to have fun, voice their opinions and perhaps complain about being ripped off or have been lied to have no life is ignorant at best. I am not ashamed to say that I take this hobby very seriously. I bet everyone here who put a downpayment on the Aurora and bought equipment all have lives, successful careers and are educated. I know several of these guys personally and we all have families, make very good livings and can buy just about any helicopter we care to. So because they disagree with you they have no lives and need to grow up? Wrong. Now you can get back to looking for dirty pictures in your National Geographic and we'll continue to be successful and enjoy our hobby.

- formerly known as "trex600crasher"-
04-24-2008 10:04 PM
 
 
RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

daved26

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I am not yelling nor am I trying to offend anyone

David....You don't see how telling people to "grow up" and "get a life" is offensive?

And maybe you didn't know...But when you bold something it is like raising your voice.

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I just think its silly that you are making such a big deal out of this.

I am not the one telling people to grow up and get a life.

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You act like this the first time in the history of capitalism that a company has repeatedly missed release dates!

Not true at all...I just realize that this is not the first time THIS company has repeatedly missed release dates.

And lets not forget your post in the Synergy forum:

"I am not trying to put the guys at Synergy down, its just that those of us who ordered one are anxious. Its like someone put the N9 in our face and said "Psych" and took it away."

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There are bigger, more important things in life to be concerned with and you are free to disagree with me.

Yep...again I would like to point out that you are the only one here getting personal and discussing the PERSON, not the situation.
04-24-2008 11:19 PM
 
 
rchelichop
Senior Heliman
Location: Valencia

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If you lost deposit money, your anger should be directed at the company who took your pre-order, not Avant RC. In the mean time, there are other helis out there you can purchase.´


david you should get a clue and know the FACTS before barfing out your drivel.

AvantRC HAS all the preorder money already and has had the preorder money for quite some time now. You can't come in here and defend something when you have no idea what the heck is going on. or are you too blinded by the beauty such as fartbrkr here.
04-25-2008 12:04 AM
 
 
heli3dmax
Senior Heliman
Location: DuBois, PA USA

I don't usually chime in on anger topics, But I have been waiting since the begining and I'm not angry. I did not go out and buy allot of equipment like other people did either. I just sit in the shadows and wait quietly. Notice yes I do speak up once in a blue moon, but I truly believe in this machine and I will wait for something I believe in. I will not argue with anyone who want's to call me a fool for doing so. Some day (soon I believe) I will be flying my own Aurora and yes I will be very happy to do so. If anyone want's to make fun of me anywhere I go for flying what I like no matter the reason who cares! I like this machine ALOT!!! And this is what I proudly choose to fly for my first 90 machine! Oh ya!!

Thank you all for allowing me to voice my opinion!
04-25-2008 12:15 AM
 
 
fiveoboy01
Veteran
Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

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I have no sympathy for someone trying to convince everyone his gear is "obsolete" cause its not in a Aurora.

I don't know if it's because the equipment is obsolete so much as the warranty only lasts for a certain period of time on some items...

Trex 450SA blinged, Trex 600N, DX7
04-25-2008 01:34 AM
 
 
Carey
Senior Heliman
Location: Allentown, NJ

I want to disagree and say the Mystique is still going strong!

mys·tique Audio Help /mɪˈstik/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mi-steek] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a framework of doctrines, ideas, beliefs, or the like, constructed around a person or object, endowing the person or object with enhanced value or profound meaning: the mystique of Poe.
2. an aura of mystery or mystical power surrounding a particular occupation or pursuit: the mystique of nuclear science.
04-25-2008 02:02 AM
 
 
heli3dmax
Senior Heliman
Location: DuBois, PA USA

Mystique

Whoa that's some deep $hit! Very true though.
04-25-2008 02:08 AM
 
 
Learn to Fly
Key Veteran
Location: Yalesville Connecticut

I love it that you guys are SOOOOO passionate!!!!

Or just flat out crazy. Its a hobby remember> to have fun?


Jeff
Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see...
04-25-2008 12:10 PM
 
 
daved26
Senior Heliman
Location: NJ USA

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"I am not trying to put the guys at Synergy down, its just that those of us who ordered one are anxious. Its like someone put the N9 in our face and said "Psych" and took it away."

Yes, I voiced my opinion of the synergy situation at the time but I wasn't angry, didn't resort to insulting the people at Synergy (unlike your insults to those at Avant RC) and I said what I had to say and moved on. Done. You just can't let it go.

When I said get a life you defined your life by the number/type of helis you own. That's pathetic. I think you are missing the point.
When, the Aurora finally get's released, all of this will be ancient history.

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david you should get a clue and know the FACTS before barfing out your drivel.
It doesn't matter who has the money. You placed a preorder with a distributor who should take responsibilty, not the manufacturer.

Oh, by the way I am laughing and having fun while I write this. Lighten up and don't take it so personally.

dave

"I wish my 9C had a reset button"
04-25-2008 02:27 PM
 
 
hal
Heliman
Location: canada

It's never coming out of the usa, the chinese have copied it. Lol.
04-25-2008 03:03 PM
 
 
Lolly
Heliman
Location: San Diego

Anyone can voice his/her opinion about the hobby on this board. That’s why it’s a forum. Hopefully we can all learn something from the posts and at times, no disrespect, it’s pure entertainment while reading the venting and valid frustrations of some readers. So here is my 2c.

Hindsight is a frustrating tool to use in analyzing history and we all do it subconsciously most of the time. Those who laid down deposits for the Aurora and pre-purchased electronics for the chopper at the time did the right thing in their minds. As time went by, promise after promise and delay after delay, how were those supposed to know that after a reasonable time or after warranties are run out, the Aurora would still not be released. Yes, those people have a very valid reason for feeling burned. Hopefully they were still flying some other heli and still enjoying the hobby. But feeling frustrated, pissed and burned…you bet! I was not one of them for other reasons. That being said, there comes a time when one should move on. Here is a little help..

Many pilots of all skill levels are not physicists or engineers and it is understandably more difficult to distinguish hype from facts. I am not here to toot my horn, but I am a physicist, scientist, mechanical and aeronautical engineer. So I understand much of the subtle facts about these machines. Helicopters are very complicated in their design, materials selection, dynamics analysis, stress capabilities and endurance etc. They are all built nowadays using CAD and FEA and are pretty much at the point of diminishing returns. That means, short of a revolutionary design, the higher end 3D machines are not going to get much more capable for under $1,000 if at all. You may be able to shave a little mass here and there to reduce inertia, move parts around a bit to reduce moments of inertia, and do a few other things. The overall effect may increase the roll, yaw or pitch rate by a few %. Repositioning pushrods etc to reduce stability, increase sensitivity thus allowing increased accelerations and performance….All in the realm of most top end machines already in pending or current production. Who will this affect - Only those that have outgrown the capabilities of their current models, might they see a slight improvement in performance. Maybe.

To significantly increase the performance beyond these diminishing returns other than revolutionary concepts if possible, there will be a price to pay and it takes more than one guy in his spare time. You need lots of money and time, superior materials like titanium, or super strength plastics, etc to significantly lighten up the machine. Need more power. Have not seen that yet. Ultimately, to throw these machines around it’s all about acceleration and inertia and this all increases stresses that parts are subjected to. The current designs are pretty good, but to significantly bump up performance capability, you need stronger and lighter materials to maintain or reduce weight. This becomes very expensive if at all possible. In terms of cost, to significantly improve the heli performance e.g maneuvering rates i.e. more 3D blurr, will never be under $1k if made in China. Made in USA x price by 3 at least. My Futura SE is a 15 year-old design. I have over 3,000 hard flights on it. The original ball links are still tight and I have only had to rebuild some bearings. No evidence of fatigue or creep or anything needing replacement. It was not designed as a 3D machine and cannot compete with current top end helis for 3D. But it was ahead of its time even 5 years ago and my experience is a testament to the quality, ruggedness and durability of all parts. As an FAI, or F3C or any pure aerobatic with slower 3D…it’s a great machine. It’s not perfect, but will fly forever with minimal parts cost. That’s where I see value. My EVO 90 will do hard 3D which I love, but after 40 flights, parts are already needing replacement to avoid a catastrophe. Better quality 90s like Vibe, Synergy, etc…parts should last much longer.

I could go on all day, but what am I saying:

All machines, entry or top, use CAD, FEA and all kinds of computer assisted design and manufacturing procedures. The better quality ones have ongoing design, improvements and support. They may not advertise showing pretty pictures but they could not compete otherwise. For around $1k, made “overseas”, you are not going to get much better than the basic kits of current top end stuff of the 90 size class. Current designs are at the point of diminishing returns and little tweaks of improvement here and there are not going to improve performance that makes it jump out in your face even in the hands of the best pilots. Helicopter design, manufacture and support with continued design spirals is a huge complicated multi person effort, requiring lots of able people and $$. When considering the purchase of a heli, it's a considerable investment most often grows beyond initial expectations. These investments should consider the entire business environment of the brand. In the meantime, fly what you have. If you outgrow, there is most likely a current heli that will challenge you. Pace yourself, master the basics and challenge your skills at cost effective rate that you can afford. That way you stay smiling through the "bumps". Perhaps a handful of pilots have outgrown the capability of top helis out there in any size class, but they are going to have to wait for the revolution. Furthermore, easier-to-fly helis will not make you a better pilot. - (Turn down the gain on the gyro and fly around in a controllable and stable condition). Finally but not least of all, don’t wait for next best claimed thing…..it’s all about human nature and making money.

Lots of facts and my opinion.

Happy flying
04-25-2008 06:10 PM
 
 
rchelichop
Senior Heliman
Location: Valencia

Futura SE

One of the best machines ever made.
04-25-2008 06:16 PM
 
 
Havoc
Key Veteran
Location: Ky.

Can I get the Cliff's notes to what Lolly said?
04-25-2008 06:22 PM
 
 
rcnut
Senior Heliman
Location: Rockford, Illinois

Lolly

Well said! I too, decided I wanted an Aurora and after seeing, asking 20+ questions, and touching this heli, well, I had to place a "pre-order" too. I truly didn't think it would take this long to come out! So I waited, bought everything I need for it, slowly. Then time started passing by, and the electronics were getting old.

Tired of waiting, so I bought something else, a T-Rex 600N Nitro Pro. I still have the "pre-order", but I'm in no hurry for this heli. Should the Aurora be released this month, I will wait until IRCHA to get new electronics for it. But until then, I have enough to fly with.....helis that I really enjoy flying. The glamour is gone and I am intent with what I have.

If you dont have grass stains on your knees by the end of the day,you need to rethink your life.
04-25-2008 07:03 PM
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

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I have only had to rebuild some bearings

How do you do that? Replacing them I can see that one but rebuilding them, well someone's going to have to show me.

The Futura SE wasn't designed as a 3D machine? Hmmmmmmmmmmm, I'll have to ponder that one because that is exactly what it was designed to be.

TM

"If you can do it, it ain’t bragging." - Will Rogers
04-25-2008 11:35 PM
 
 
Freyaman
Heliman
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia

GET THE FX OR EFX
04-26-2008 12:33 AM
 
 
Lolly
Heliman
Location: San Diego

TMoore

Futura SE Youngblood was an upgraded version "prototyped" to handle higher loads than previous versions. It was designed for FAI, aerobatics and what was then known as extreme aerobatics. Curtiss Youngblood used this with his extreme aerobatics and that was the forrunner of 3D. Performed nicely, had some head issues requiring some redesign. Diden't happen. Heli is too heavy to be thrown around in chaotic 3D that started couple years later. Initial versions were aerobatic masterpieces and the SE Youngblood was an upgraded version into the extreme aerobatic arena. There were not even fast enough servos then to initiate the kind of accelerated moves done today or even 5-8 years ago. It was and still is one of the smoothest, vibration-free helis out there today.
04-26-2008 02:24 AM
 
 
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