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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > Here's the numbers " Head Speed " con.t
 
 
GREYEAGLE
Veteran
Location: Sioux City IA

Since so much effort went into the diagonsis hers's the data : lease note derive after a 20 min tank " I got excited "

PItch Curve / Across the board N, V1 ,V2, V3

1 40.5 -6
2 49.5 -1
3 62.5 +3
4 79.5 +7
5 94 +9


Throttle Curve :

1 8.5
2 27.5
3 33.5
4 53
5 97.5

GREYEAGLE
04-23-2008 03:43 AM
 
 
jschenck
Elite Veteran
Location: La Vista, NE.

you and I are about in the same place as far as tuning our gasser's but sounds like you've made real headway!

I'm just about to finish my first gallon, did another 2-3 tanks tonight. My Predator is flying pretty good. I did bump up the headspeed by increasing the throttle curves. I still have the needles at about 1.5 out on both sides. My pitch curve is almost dead on to what Raja describes, 11,6,0,-6,-11 with the radio at 0-inh-inh-50-inh-inh-100 in all flight modes.

But, here is where things are getting a bit confusing for me - this being my inexperience with gassers. My heli is definitly running a lot hotter than it was. I can hear it and smell it. Today was warmer than previous flying days but not a whole lot.

My Throttle curve: (X9303 has 7 point curves)
Normal: 8-17-20-27-30-45-100
Idle-1: 100,45,30,27,30,45,100
Idle-2: 100-50-38-30-38-50-100

This heli was definitely not running a high headspeed ~1600rpm in idle-2. Everything tells me I'm running rich except the engine! I was shooting 200-240 degrees at the exhaust port and the fins just under the fan shroud exit. I am not getting the black oil splatter that I was getting the first few tanks. I do see smoke in the exhaust but it's dissipating after a few minutes of flying then I don't see it. I don't feel that the engine is sagging and top end/full throttle power does not seem to be there like it's rich on the H needle. And I had the L needle rich enough to where it would not idle until I bumped the throttle up even with the trim all the way up. It idled fine when the L needle was at 1 3/8. Also I was getting surging at idle after a flight, even would die if I didn't add a touch of throttle.

This photo is a bit deceptive I think - my eye's tell me the plug looked a bit lighter in color than this. I'm going to open a separate thread on my other issue I found after flying - the main gear. It may be related to the engine tuning?

Z-RC intake in place, 4OZ of lawnboy in 87 octane fuel Hanson-26 with 643 carb.
EDIT: Forgot to add: running the stock airbox aircleaner.



...yep...
04-23-2008 04:27 AM
 
 
lejon
Senior Heliman
Location: Las Vegas Nevada

What I have found and been told is that as you break the engine in you will find it runs leaner and should richen it a little. The other thing is that picture of the plug looks on the rich side (to me) which it should, and if it is lighter now then that would be consistent with it leaning out and needing to be richened a little.

On temperature there are many threads that have addressed this issue but I think that most will support that 220 to 250 will not harm the engine. Some run cooler and others hotter but I believe the general consensus is that your are cooking it at 300 to 320 and pretty much toast above that.

Lejon
04-23-2008 05:37 PM
 
 
GREYEAGLE
Veteran
Location: Sioux City IA

Past the break In

When I ran mine, in I ran 6 tanks of mineral based ashless at a stop inbetween each tank and a complete cool down. 4 0z to a gallon of white camp gas.


I ran very rich and also did something a little unorthadox in that I diapered my exhaust with a clean large white paper shop towel stapeled togeather kinda like a sack, and taped to the outlet.

Each tank I changed the white paper shop towel and opened it up to examine the material particulate in the residue. 1st towel was almost
a complete primer grey as the rings and cylinder lapped in, second towel was the same but not as much, 3rd very little detectable, fourth was clean.

I pulled the plug and the white ceramic insulator actually had a silver cast, with the original machineing hatch marks in place . Even went a bit over board then pulled the intake and exhaust to examine the piston, and they were perfect, but did notice a build up on the top of the piston of soft carbon from the miniral based lube.

I took shop vac and a squared end popsicle stick and cleaned the piston from one side qith the the shop vac running on the other side to catch the deposits.


Then switched to 3 OZ of Belray MC-1 pure syn -from my past experience " Byron Day's" and White gas and never looked back! Pistons on both engines are the same - rings are steril still have the original machine marks.

I know see ther's a BelRay H1 ??? I need to check it out as it maybey of a blend of some sort. The only residue I get it a touch of blue spent lube.

Plug to me look's lean , but it shouldn't as much chocolate as your running Mine gurgel ' d also when they where breaking in, they may be a touch hot, do to a way thick mixture.
I'd richen up a bit


I'd get off the gook and get some syn, also the camper gas is consistant, USA corn gas or what ever it is is just that - what ever it is at the time the y added the additives and it was stilled.

Gasoline in a big debate, but I just picked up 4mpg on my V8 Magnum Dakota from getting off the econ crap and paerformance jumped. I just don't trust the stuff.

GREYEAGLE
04-24-2008 04:51 AM
 
 
AceBird
Elite Veteran
Location: Utica, NY USA

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1 40.5 -6
2 49.5 -1
3 62.5 +3
4 79.5 +7
5 94 +9

Grey, I hate to break it to you but you have something major wrong here.

Between points 1&2 you have less than a 10% change with 5 degrees between them and between points 4&5 you have almost 15% change and only 2 degrees between them.

Either your linkage is mess up, (doubtful your radio is messed up unless you have an unknown mix programmed) or your measuring technique is faulty.

I plotted the curve on graph paper and it is nearly straight. I am not at work so I can't get a nice pic of it.

Did you get a tach yet. Even that bicycle tach would be better than nothing.

Ace
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04-24-2008 01:38 PM
 
 
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