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heli_headcase
Veteran
Location: Hovering around Atlanta

Mast Stopper Set Screws...

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The only problem I have is the nyolon guide that the swashplate fits over. It goes down into the bearing at the top of the frame. This part is quite a bit off.

There are four M3 set screws in a collar under the bearing in the upper part of the frames. These screws need to be backed out slightly and then gently tightened in a manner that centers the main shaft within the dark grey plastic "pitch rod guide". Be careful in two ways here - Don't overtighten the screws or the collar (aluminum) WILL crack at a screw hole. And keep an eye on the two pushrods that go from the inner swashplate and up unto the holes in the base of the rotorhead. It's very easy to let the mainshaft twist with respect to the mixing base (the hub that all the mixing arms pivot) while those M3 setscrews are loose. The two pushrods previously mentioned should be parallel to the mainshaft while the mixing base is lightly loaded counterclockwise. This is the loading seen while in operation.

Gently tighten the setscrews so the mainshaft runs true in the frames. How you determine this is up to you but there are a few ways to accomplish this somewhat tedious task. Just be patient and when you move one screw and improve the shaft runout, go to the opposite screw and snug it a little. Then do the same for the other screws 90 degrees from the first. When it looks good, give the four screws a final snugging, opposites first. I can't tell you how much to go with the final tightness, you're on your own there.


HHC

So many heli's - too little time...
04-29-2008 05:42 PM
 
 
Dustinblessman
Heliman
Location: Des Moines IA USA

Thanks heli_headcase for the tip. I will try it first thing tomorrow. It would be sweet if I could get this thing in the air this weekend.

heliphotagraphy
04-30-2008 04:01 AM
 
 
heli_headcase
Veteran
Location: Hovering around Atlanta

Before you fly...

There are a few weak spots in the tail rotor design; easy to fix but has to be done.

#1) Grind a pair of SHALLOW flats on the tail drive wire where the pair of M3 set screws contact the wire just forward of the tail gearbox.

#2) Disassemble the tail blade grips. Remove the long M3 setscrews used as axles for the grips. The tips of those screws must fit inside the hole cross drilled through the end of the tail rotor shaft. The hole is almost exactly the same diameter as the tip of the screws. You must put more of a point on the tips of the screws and be sure the tips fit into the hole, not hit the steel next to the hole. Follow?

#3) Use red Loctite to install the M3 screws back into the tail hub. Mind the screw tips and the hole in the shaft.

#4) Back to #2 for a moment - When the tail grips were disassembled, did you look carefully at the thrust bearings? I'll bet they weren't assembled correctly. The washers (races) are two pairs of specific sizes. Two are larger and two are smaller. The ID and OD (inside and outside) diameters follow in one race. The smaller races go outboard, next to the locknut and the larger races sit next to the tail hub. Unless someone already fixed this, it was assembled wrong from Kyosho. Note this upon reassembly and don't forget to use thick grease on the balls in the bearings.

#5) When the bearings are reinstalled on the screws, place a little red Loctite INSIDE the nylock nut prior to screwing it down on the setscrew. You don't want thread lock being pushed toward the bearings and the nylon in the nut isn't to be trusted to hold the nut from rotating in operation. Stop turning the nuts when they just touch the bearing assembly and then back off 1/4 turn.

#6) Open the gearbox and make sure the input shaft bearings are completely greased. These are "open" bearings and have no shields. I always saw dry bearings in these cases. Any light grease will do.

#7) Make sure the brass sleeve and aluminum nut in the pitch slider are correctly thread locked and that there is NO binding or roughness in the slider's bearings. It's common to find the nut tightened and crushing the bearings. It's far better to see a tiny bit of play in the slider than no play at all.

#8) See that black washer under the screw head for the white tail pitch bellcrank pivot? Remove it from under the screw head and place it last at the tip of the screw before it threads into the mount on the gearbox. Left in the factory position, the bellcrank will bind with the slightest of tightening effort of that screw. With the washer directly against the mount, the steel sleeve in the bellcrank can't be pressed into the plastic of the mount allowing the screw head to get too close to the bellcrank pivot center, pinching it.

#9) Lastly (bet you thought I'd never stop ), make sure all of the drive wire guides in the tail boom are spaced evenly apart and not all run together or all at one end of the boom. Two wire guides were provided in the earliest DX heli's, three were in later models. Frankly, I used two and drilled them to accept a brass tube of 1/8" outside diameter, approximately 4" shorter than the tail boom. Glue the brass tube into the guides and then grease the drive wire before installation. Much better than stock. Don't forget to tighten the tail drive coupler set screws onto the flats you made in Step #1.

Happy Concepting!


HHC

So many heli's - too little time...
04-30-2008 05:43 AM
 
 
jczankl
Senior Heliman
Location: Anderson, IN USA

Well I do know where there is a video of Dwight Schilling throwing down some pretty good smack with a C30SE. I will have to locate. It was seen at a local hobby shop. I will see if I can borrow it. It was taken at a FF here in Indiana back in 93 or somewhere in that time frame. I will keep you posted.

Also There was a guy by the name of Patrick Connelly who flew for Kyosho. He was at a IRCHA event with a C30SR-X and had foam blades on it. That thing I put it through the ringer myself it did everything I asked it too. Tick Tocs everything. The only thing it did not do well was auto. With those foamy blades. No iniertia.

Like I said I will get that video hopefully and put an end to this dispute.

Team Cajun Helicopters,Team Futaba,WildCat Fuels,V-Blades,Duralite Batteries,Zurich,Vel-Tye,
05-01-2008 04:49 AM
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heli_headcase
Veteran
Location: Hovering around Atlanta

Small edit to the tail rotor info...

I reread some of what I typed in the long tail rotor tuneup instructions and added a few things. Nothing critical, just a tiny bit of clarification to the wording.


HHC

So many heli's - too little time...
05-03-2008 02:35 AM
 
 
Dustinblessman
Heliman
Location: Des Moines IA USA

All those tips help a bunch. Thanks for showing me where to get those thrust bearings. That will make the project complete.

I will keep you posted on the first flight since 89

heliphotagraphy
05-03-2008 05:09 AM
 
 
heli_headcase
Veteran
Location: Hovering around Atlanta

What happened to the original bearings? Lose them or is this a second-hand heli that had seen better days?

All this talk about Concepts is tempting me to fly one of mine. Have two DX models sitting here all ready to go but after almost 10 years of storage, the OS 32FH in each is stuck solid. Hmm...

Good luck with yours.


HHC

So many heli's - too little time...
05-03-2008 05:24 AM
 
 
Dustinblessman
Heliman
Location: Des Moines IA USA

This is a second hand heli. I actually got it when I was six. I have always wanted to fly it but just never got around to it. It was missing the tail grips and blades. I tracked down some new tail grips and everything else. Now that I you have shown me where to get the thrust bearings I will be in great shape.

The OS max 32 in this heli had froze also. I had to soak it in carb cleaner over night to get it free.After making sure it was all cleaned out I oiled all the bearings up good and it fired right up.

I dont know how much I'll fly this one. Im sure at least a couple times a year. It has a lot of sentimental value to me. I am so happy that I didnt sell it. when I started this Topic I was ready to. This has helped me realize how much I would regret selling this bird.

It will be fun to have it out at the flying field.

You will have to get yours flying also

heliphotagraphy
05-04-2008 05:30 AM
 
 
heli_headcase
Veteran
Location: Hovering around Atlanta

Soaked in Carb Cleaner?

I hope the carb was off the engine and not soaked with it. There's one O ring on the outside of the low-speed needle that acts as a seal and friction stop in the throttle barrel. Soaking it will first make the rubber ring swell and then it shrinks to a smaller size than original. The idle needle can then drift while the engine is in operation and I'll let you use your imagination what happens next.

Man, you've hung on to that heli for along time! Maybe I missed the story but how did you get your hands on it so young? I remember someone giving me a brand new Cox Baby Bee .049 when I was maybe 9 or 10 yrs old and via playing with it, I destroyed the engine. I didn't have a clue how to operate it and neither did anyone else I knew. I don't believe my parents wanted me to have anything to do with model airplanes before I was 14, but I sure showed them! BWAHAHAHA!!!

One day I'll have to fly a C30 again. I miss the little buggers...


HHC

So many heli's - too little time...
05-04-2008 05:45 AM
 
 
Dustinblessman
Heliman
Location: Des Moines IA USA

Yep...wish I would of asked some one first about soaking it. I started with the carb first. I sprayed carb cleaner until I could get it working smoothly. Believe me this took a while.

I then took out the glow plug and the backing off the motor and sprayed carb cleaner in the open hole. It was gummed up bad. I filled it up and let it soak over night. In the morning all of it had drained out throught the crank bearing.

I lubed it up and have ran it a couple times with cool power for 5 minuets. It seems to be ok. I will check it out further.

That is really good to know!!! yikes

I will have to send you the story of heli some time. It is pretty interesting.

heliphotagraphy
05-05-2008 02:55 PM
 
 
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