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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > A Little Help with X9303 settings for Pantera 50
 
 
DSW
Senior Heliman
Location: Oviedo, Florida

I'm looking for the approximate settings for the "Swash Mix" on the X9303.
Mine is currently set at:
Aile: 70%
Elev: 70%
Pit: 70%

Servo Direction Switch:
All Normal, except for CH3 & CH6.

Travel Adjust:
All 100%, except for Throttle 70%/70%

Set-up:
Pantera 50
OS 50 Hyper
JR X9303
Fromeco Arizona & Peerless 4800
Futaba Servos 9252's on Swash
GY 401 & 9254
04-21-2008 11:51 PM
 
 
jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

You can't get there from here. Basically it depends on what you want to do.

Pitch is obvious, it sets the collective pitch range from negative to positive. I.e. a bigger number means more total throw. Aileron and Elevator is a little trickier, but only a little bit.

Start with the blades crossways to the model. All you have to do is use your pitch gage and holding the flybar level, input elevator (both directions) and measure the pitch change on the blades. You're gunning for a range of 11-14° total.

Next, rotate the main rotor blades until they are directly over the tailboom and repeat, but for aileron this tim. Once again measure the pitch. Once again you're gunning for a range of 11-14° total.

This works out to between 5.5-7° each way for aileron and elevator. It's a nice compromise between sport and agressive flight. Take it to 8° each way and things can be pretty zippy. Any more than this and you'll have to be very careful not to stall the blades at the bottom of a loop - it can be scary if you do because the model will continue to sink and the pucker factor gets pretty intense.

Remember, cyclic pitch is added to collective pitch and begining at 16° the blades begin to stall . . . and progress through a full stall around 23°. Consequently, coming out of a loop where you add full collective pitch of 11° because you're a little low and close to the ground, and if you have 8° degrees of cyclic pitch and thus, you're holding a lot of aft elevator pitch and suddenly you are in the 19° range, which is in the stalling area! Ergo, instant pucker loop. Sometimes, if you're unlucky or too low, all the way into the ground.

For this reason, asking folks what their values are is next to useless unless you also know exactly how far out the ball is on the servo arm. Also, whether any swash extenders are in place, or being used on the Hiller lever.

Basically, you need to measure your pitch change yourself. Fortunately it's easy!


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
04-22-2008 12:18 AM
 
 
enahs
Veteran
Location: Valparaiso, IN (college); Sturgis, MI (home)

Nice little write up John!

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Shane Eagan
Will work for heli fuel
04-22-2008 01:16 AM
 
 
DSW
Senior Heliman
Location: Oviedo, Florida

John's procedure seems pretty straight forward. The thing I'm challenged with is that the center position on the servos @ 1/2 stick, changes based on the Swash Pitch setting. So, where should I start with the Swash Pitch setting to make sure I have the linkage for the swash at the proper 90 degrees? Sort of the Chicken and the Egg.
04-22-2008 01:26 AM
 
 
jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Measure the pitch at the existing setting and sneak up on the answer empirically, i.e. by making changes. i agree it is a chicken or egg situation but as I mentioned, unless you know the distance fomr the ball to the linkage and whether any changes are in place, i.e. standoffs, there's no "one" answer. Just start in Idle Up (Stunt Mode) and measure the pitch range and see what total range is and adjust until it's what you want, i.e. 22-24° total then re-adjust for center because the toal range won't change on you.


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
04-22-2008 01:41 AM
 
 
enahs
Veteran
Location: Valparaiso, IN (college); Sturgis, MI (home)

Make sure all your servo arms are 90 degrees at midstick using the least amount of subtrim. I like to go into my pitch curve and make points 2, 3, and 4 all 50%. That way if I don't have the stick right at half-stick it won't matter. Then use a pitch gauge and adjust the linkages running from the servos to the swash to get 0 pitch at midstick. Then I work my way up adjusting all levers and mixing arms to ensure they are parallel and level. Double check the pitch and it should be 0.

Then I put a linear pitch curve back in (0, 25, 50, 75, 100) and set low-stick and high-stick. Hopefully you will have symmetrical throws on each side. Then use the Swash menu to adjust for either more pitch or less.

Hope this helps somewhat...It may be more than what you wanted/needed, but that's how I set mine up. Just tryin' to help ya.

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Shane Eagan
Will work for heli fuel
04-22-2008 01:45 AM
 
 
DSW
Senior Heliman
Location: Oviedo, Florida

Thanks for the reply s. I will give these suggestions a try.
04-22-2008 02:06 AM
 
 
DSW
Senior Heliman
Location: Oviedo, Florida

OK, the suggestion for set-up worked! I have a range of about -10 to +12. I found if I change the End Point Settings on the three servos to D=100%, U=+120%, I get about +14. Is it Ok to have different End Point Adjustment settings?
04-24-2008 12:46 AM
 
 
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