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Century Hawk - Falcon - Raven - Predator > COOLING FAN one way bearing failure
 
 
Blade_Master1
Veteran
Location: Canada

After only 8 gallons of fuel the oneway bearing is toast.

a couple of the bearing pins fell out causing my start shaft to get stuck in the fan.

where can I get a replacement bearing ?


preferably in canada

Old fart ~ anyone HELP!

JM2C's :)
04-18-2008 02:04 AM
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Dave M
Senior Heliman
Location: Mi.

My first stop would be www.mcmaster.com

If that yields nothing... then a local bearing supplier.....

or remove the bearing... cut slot in top similar to plastic fan...and go back to the original dog bone shaft.

It's OK....It's not your fault !!!
04-18-2008 12:49 PM
 
 
jester4
Veteran
Location: Brampton, Ontario

Try here:

http://www.bocabearings.com/main1.aspx?p=docs&id=13

I've ordered from them before without any fuss....
04-18-2008 02:01 PM
 
 
Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

Blade master good luck. I had one the bearings fell out of after a couple of flights needless to say I went back to the stock fan never a problem since. Buddy of mine has 30 gallons through his with that fan not a bit of problems and on another heli with the same one lasted about 5 starts. If you can find a good supplier of them bearings please pass it on as I havnt yet.
04-18-2008 02:23 PM
 
 
MartyH
Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

Actually I think 8 gallons worth of starts on a 30 size heli is pretty good. That should have been a lot of flying. I bet it got that far with zero servicing didn't it? I am a little concerned about the others chiming in about the same problems with bearings in the metal fan though. I have just assembled a Hawk Pro and have debated about pulling it back apart to put the metal fan in which arrived too late for the intial build. I had decided to sit on the fan for a while and fly stock. Wish I could tell you I was that smart, it was just a good guess.

Marty,
6 Raptors, Hawk Pro
EVO 50, Knight 3D
2 Audacity Panteras & Tiger 50
04-18-2008 02:52 PM
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jester4
Veteran
Location: Brampton, Ontario

Nothing wrong with stock, that's the way i've been flying mine for a while, but since he already has the metal one, the cost of bearings will probably be cheaper than a stock fan (I think).
04-18-2008 03:06 PM
 
 
JustPlaneChris
Heliman
Location: Austin,TX - USA

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the cost of bearings will probably be cheaper than a stock fan (I think).
I'm not so sure about that, the stock cooling fan is $5.75.

-Chris
04-18-2008 03:32 PM
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jester4
Veteran
Location: Brampton, Ontario

...yah, that's hard to beat
04-18-2008 03:56 PM
 
 
Dave M
Senior Heliman
Location: Mi.

But if you do the simple mod to the bling bling fan, once the bearing goes south, You will not have to buy another fan.. And still have the nice fan.

It's OK....It's not your fault !!!
04-18-2008 05:30 PM
 
 
MartyH
Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

what is the mod?

Marty,
6 Raptors, Hawk Pro
EVO 50, Knight 3D
2 Audacity Panteras & Tiger 50
04-18-2008 05:52 PM
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Ravenhyper50Senior Heliman - Location: Ottawa -
The best upgrade you can do to your cnc fan!


MSH Protos 500, SWIFT 550 Carbon, Swift 620SE, DX-7, JR servos
04-18-2008 07:41 PM
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

BM1

I do not know where you can get a replacement bearing, as I never have had to do so.

Ask anyone who flies with me, I have well over 4000 starts on my helis and have always used the STOCK fan and a start wand with the one-way built into it. e.g. the CN0427. My answer to anyone who has ever asked me if they should go to the CNC unit has been, "Why, when the stock one works perfectly well."

I use the start wand with the one-way bearing, because even if my engine is overly primed, or has too much fuel in the crankcase due to over filling the tank and having fuel siphon from the exhaust pressure line into the muffler and into the engine, when it kicks back on start up, the startshaft and start want that it is connected to, will free wheel backwards and now damage will be done.

So as you can see, I believe ones money is better spend on gong to a CN0427 one-way start wand then the upgrade cooling fan.

I have a lot experience over the years, with a number of different helis who have a one-way built into the clutch or fan, from Hirobo, TSK, Thunder Tiger and they ALL (just search their forums and you will find this to be true) suffer the same bearing failure issue. Any time someone tries to start engines that are overly rich (a common problem when over priming when starting in colder weather or for the first start of the day, undue stress is exerted on these bearings, and they can and will be damaged.

But I must say, that it is better that this bearing goes, as if it didn't, these undue forces would be transfered to the con-rod of the engines and they would ultimately be the component that would fail and destroy your much more expensive engine.
04-18-2008 07:45 PM
 
 
JustPlaneChris
Heliman
Location: Austin,TX - USA

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So as you can see, I believe ones money is better spend on gong to a CN0427 one-way start wand then the upgrade cooling fan.

Darnit, I wish this topic had come up yesterday. I just placed an order for the Toki and accessories for my Hawk, and I ordered the CN0426 Century Fix Style.

EDIT: I just called Heli-World, and my order hadn't shipped yet. I upgraded to the CN0427.

-Chris
04-18-2008 08:53 PM
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Blade_Master1
Veteran
Location: Canada

Well actually I have 2 of these oneway fan units. 1 in each heli
I have sprayed them with wd-40 every so often.
one of them is a used fan that I bought from a friend that has alot more than 8 gallons and is still working.

I want to keep using this fans since I use a drill for starting

I could go back to stock, I have all the pieces but can I use a drill for starting?

I had the starter wand Old fart is talking about but that oneway bearing is also toast.

Is there a replacement bearing for that ?

JM2C's :)
04-18-2008 10:55 PM
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Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

CN0427 same one I use oldfart. Works great.
04-18-2008 11:11 PM
 
 
Dilbeck
Veteran
Location: Springdale Arkansas

I have 2 of the cnc/one way bearing cooling fans 1 in the Hawk and 1 in the Raven and love them due to the reduced vibrations and starting with a drill. I have broke off several of the stock fans (mainly in cold weather) I never could get the hang of starting the stock fans, it would always backlash on me and cause problems. Once i installed the fans, (1) pull of the trigger on the drill and it fires right up ever time. Im sure with the torque loads associated with starting, (some failure rates are expected). I refuse to go back to the stock cooling fan, if not for the ratchet type starting then the smooth no vibration of the cnc fan. Old fart you are achieving the same thing with the stock fan and the one way bearing in the starter wand, but i have ran into many problems with the rubber cups but am sure its because i was using them without the one way bearing. Anyway both seem to get the job done but with the cnc fan i have noticed a marked reduction in vibrations. Clint.

If it doesn't fly sell it!
04-18-2008 11:20 PM
 
 
Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

dilbeck if you are referring to the rubber cups in the starters remove the cup assembly and spin the starter shaft assembly onto the starter shaft always smooth never a problem. I have yet to break a stock fan and this one I have had on there for over 2 years not a bit of isue no vibrations nothing.
04-18-2008 11:23 PM
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

I definitely DO NOT recommend using a drill for starting.
04-18-2008 11:46 PM
 
 
Dilbeck
Veteran
Location: Springdale Arkansas

Mutt thanks, got rid off the electric start and rubber cups long ago, use only a drill now. That aside the stock fan has a slot in it to fit the start shaft in. Hit the starter, then you have to pull up at the right time to disengage or bad things tend to happen. Im sure if i had the one way bearing on the (starter wand) it would not be a problem. As for vibrations, ive done a lot of testing on all this Bling this and Bling that to see if it really makes a differance. Purchased every upgrade available for the hawk and raven one at a time. The last upgrade i made was the cnc cooling fan. I wish it had been my first. The high and low frequency vibrations were reduced by more than the others combined. I can grab the tail now and feel i marked reduction in vibrations. Tail holds solid now as i always had some drift here or there. Its just what ive seen and is by no means in stone as im always testing/learning. Clint.

If it doesn't fly sell it!
04-18-2008 11:53 PM
 
 
Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

Dilbeck this is what I use works great 2 7.2 volt packs with the one way bearing wand from century I just removed the cut system and screwed this onto the shaft on the hobbico 180 starter and then tightened the set screws and walla no issues ever starts everything from 30's to 90's no problem. It is light and easy to work with. My buddys setup is the same except he still uses that cnc fan setup.

04-19-2008 12:03 AM
 
 
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