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QuickWorldWide Ep and Wet Fuel Helis > Reply from HHI re 20cc challenge ?

ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

For some reason the 20cc challenge failed to produce a flying helicopter. Issues were raised during the build and i would like to hear from HHI where we now stand.

It seems i am the only one actually still flying a 20cc and would like to know if HHI will be makeing changes to the kit. All the previous efforts (builds) resulted in no substantial changes when issues were raised. Are we now going to see an upgrade/fix for this machine ?

we can never have too many, can we ?

04-18-2008 01:09 AM

shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

Ozace, this is from Eury's build thread:

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I'm not going to buy the heli, as as such, I'm not going to put the time and money into correcting the things that I see that I think are big problems. Also, if I'm not going to buy it, I don't think I should fly it, because of the huge hit it will take in value.

Eury chose not to fly it because he wasn't going to buy it for what appears to be issues that he percieved as problems. He was within his right to do this, and I personally don't have a problem with it. So I don't think the build "failed" to produce a flying heli. The 26 that I am flying since 06 has the same metal parts as the 20cc except for the frames, and I didn't read of any problems with frames in Eury's build. I built mine to the instructions, and the only thing I did differnt was chamfer the bottom gear because I assembled it the wrong way to start and it touched the clutch. I didn't have an issue with the gears rubbing.
I've said this before, and I will say it again, with over 70 hours of flying I have had NO mechanical failures or bearings bad since I put the cnc tail on mine. I respect Eury's review, and honestly I did change the spacers between the hiller arms and the grips to provide more clearance. That's the only other thing that I can think of "that's not stock".

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It seems i am the only one actually still flying a 20cc and would like to know if HHI will be makeing changes to the kit. All the previous efforts (builds) resulted in no substantial changes when issues were raised. Are we now going to see an upgrade/fix for this machine ?

Eury also addressed this in the build thread:

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I've been contacted by Irwin, he's having me send it to someone else to reassemble it with the new Bat V2 frames, and fix the issues I found. He was very nice and thanked me for the effort I put in, and assured me that the issues I found will be fixed.

So, my question is....what else do you want to know? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I'm just would like to know what you want QWW to do to help you be happy with your heli that you are flying?

Gas is Great
Quick OD 26

04-18-2008 03:59 AM

ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

Shuttle, i paid the price to play and mine is done and flying.

So far everyone that has tried has had some issues along the way.(your self excluded)
They all seem to be fairly common to all of us. We were treated with contempt during the ordeal in private and in public. A challenge was put out there and Nick took it up. The heli didnt fly so as far as i am concerned the challenge failed. The build also raised issues or concerns. Some of the initial concerns seem to have been rectified for what Nick recieved and things were looking promising. I am dissappointed to see it end this way.

I was hopeful HHI would come here and make it right. It would be nice to read that the concerns so many of us had would be taken care of.

It could have been as simple as all the percieved problem areas could be preassembeled at the factory to take builder error out of the equation. A parts package that corresponds to build steps, shims provided to take slop out of the arena.

It could have gone along way to rebuild confidence that things were being done.

A decleration that there would be consistency in parts and hardware.
The little things can make a difference and if there are changes made a note to existing owners to let us know there are some new parts or process to keep our machines safe and current.

I dont think it was too much to ask or expect.

we can never have too many, can we ?

04-18-2008 04:59 AM

Magnumeng
Senior Heliman
Location: Hawaii

I think it would be nice if QWW would take the time to test the machines out before sending them out.

Copters are not simple machines... They need to be flown hard and soft work out the bugs. No machine is perfect even after testing. But some are closer than others.

QWW 50 went together very nicely. Very MINOR issues were had and the copter fly good for sport. But that copter has been around for ages.

WWW.HTRACINGTEAM.COM

04-19-2008 06:57 AM

HOMEPAGE

Quick Worldwide
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Location: Coopersburg, PA

PLEASE CHIME IN HERE

There are many local shop visitors to our storefront. I would appreciate any of those guys to discuss openly what we put in our kits that they have seen for themselves. We are proud of our parts support so we can keep you in the air. Our warehouse & facilities are open to all to visits.

We are directly responsible for 100% of every part that goes in to our kits. We are now doing most sub-assemblies in house so all parts are ready for direct installation.... EVERY screw is loctited. We are trying to avoid some of the sub-assemblies built incorrectly like bearing block upside down or pinion gears not seated properly into the start shaft bearing block. We are trying to improve the build, all instructions are being updated.

All frames are built up making as many samples to assure fit is perfect in protytpe. Right now we are building the new 20CC gas V2 frames to be sent out for conversion from Eury's build to the new Design. That will be a new post.

We would like to have an open LIMITED flying on any Sunday in May.
It will be open too 12-15 vehicles only. Any day except mother day.
Please PM if you are interested in test flying any of machines, all will be available.
The FF will be open to any machines... exhaust CANNOT FACE TOWARDS THE GRASS.

QWW

04-19-2008 03:08 PM

hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

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This is a heli sent to me for free from QWW as part of their challenge to let people see what their stuff is actually like. They sent it on their dime, and didn't charge me anything for it, when I'm done getting it together and seeing how it flies, I can either send it back, or buy it. I've got to commend them on that, it takes huge balls to send your stuff out for review like this, especially to someone like me who doesn't pull punches and has had problems with QWW in the past. I hope it turns out as well as they hope, I'll give it a fair shot here.

Why he talked about being able to sell it baffles me.

No reason he could not have flown it except if it crashed, would there be repercussions? NO..... QWW sent it to him for free!

Only issues would be losing gear in a crash or losing body parts.

I want to die like my grandfather - peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like the rest in the car.

04-19-2008 03:11 PM

HOMEPAGE

rotorhead58d
New Heliman
Location: hamburg, pa...usa

qww has shown me nothing but respect. they are as american made as possible. how about supporting your countrymen? (americans, anyway) i don't plan on making the chinese any richer than i have to. and you wonder why the states are falling apart? hungry? eat your import!

04-19-2008 11:09 PM

JuanRodriguez
Elite Veteran
Location: Rochester, New York

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and you wonder why the states are falling apart? hungry? eat your import!

????? I know some parts are made in the good ole USA..... BUT, aren't many of the machined parts coming from China ?? OR overseas somewhere ??

Please correct me if I'm wrong...... (someone with actual FACTUAL knowledge, that is.....

)

04-19-2008 11:37 PM

Eury
Elite Veteran
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

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Why he talked about being able to sell it baffles me. No reason he could not have flown it except if it crashed, would there be repercussions? NO..... QWW sent it to him for free! Only issues would be losing gear in a crash or losing body parts.

If you read the thread, I said exactly why I didn't fly it. One reason was that I wasn't going to buy it, and I didn't want to kill the value of the machine so QWW could still recoup their investment in it. The second was that I didn't feel that it was safe to fly as it was. As I saw it, the 20cc needed modifications to be safe to fly. Built according to teh manual with no mods, I felt that it would have had a mechanical failure right off and crash. Since I was responsible for any parts damaged in a crash (as said in the original challenge thread), and it was my electronics in there, I chose not to fly it. It's that simple, and that's exactly what I said in the thread.

The heli has been sent off to another RR member to test out the new parts that QWW has designed according to what I found, he will go through and set it up with the new parts and do a post on what he finds.

QWW has been great through this process, and after reading my review (even with all the criticism and the conclusion I came to), I was thanked, and asked if I would do the same thing with another one of their designs. Sounds like a company that's looking to improve.

Nick Crego
I'm not going to put my lot in with economists.

04-20-2008 12:10 AM

ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

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We are directly responsible for 100% of every part that goes in to our kits. We are now doing most sub-assemblies in house so all parts are ready for direct installation.... EVERY screw is loctited. We are trying to avoid some of the sub-assemblies built incorrectly like bearing block upside down or pinion gears not seated properly into the start shaft bearing block. We are trying to improve the build, all instructions are being updated

Great reply, moving forward

we can never have too many, can we ?

04-20-2008 04:18 AM

ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

Who is going to own up to having the "challenge" machine ?

How is the progress comming ?

we can never have too many, can we ?

04-21-2008 05:46 AM

Eury
Elite Veteran
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

Still with UPS. It's up to him to tell people that he got it. It's someone we all know, he's on here all the time, I don't think he has any QWW helis.

Nick Crego
I'm not going to put my lot in with economists.

04-21-2008 12:38 PM

hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

Augusto?

I want to die like my grandfather - peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like the rest in the car.

04-21-2008 05:21 PM

HOMEPAGE

Eury
Elite Veteran
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

Damn it Mike, that's the funniest thing I've read in a while. LMAO

Nick Crego
I'm not going to put my lot in with economists.

04-21-2008 05:27 PM

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