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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > oil brand
 
 
tim225
Senior Heliman
Location: N Wales (UK)

Which brand of oil do people use /recommend in the UK for use in a Zenoah 230 and where do they get it?I am hoping to break in my heli next weekend if I can get all the bits together, but am a bit unsure which sort to use.I believe fully synthetic is best, but again any advice would be very welcome.
Tim

Vario Bell 230 Gasser,Vario Benzin Trainer,T-Rex 600N, Hirobo Shuttle Plus,Century GL450SE
04-17-2008 09:49 PM
 
 
lejon
Senior Heliman
Location: Las Vegas Nevada

Don't know if you can get in in England but here in the US I use Lawnboy ashless for 2 gallons during break-in at 4 oz per gallon (US) and then I swith to Klotz 100% synthetic racing oil at 2.5 oz per US Gallon.

Other choices would be Blue Marble or if you cannot get it something like a Briggs and Stratton 2 cycle oil. Or once you break it in you might try the Amsoil synthetic, I know you can go to their website and order it. The site is http://www.amsoil.com/


Hope this helps

Lejon
04-17-2008 10:56 PM
 
 
digger123
Senior Heliman
Location: suffolk .uk

go to a motorcycle shop and get castrol tts fully synthetic two stroke motorbike oil cost about £13 a litre but lasts ages.i mix it at 40/1.
04-17-2008 11:27 PM
 
 
JETMAN
Senior Heliman
Location: WA

how about amzoil 100:1 in the zenoah?

www.3dfoamy.com
04-17-2008 11:46 PM
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gorn
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Australia

Belray HP1 or Honda HP2 full synthetic. Go to a motorbike shop.
Im running the Belray, works great.

If you bling it, they will come :D
04-18-2008 01:04 AM
 
 
Shiro Muji
Senior Heliman
Location: Japan

Mobil1 Fully Synthetic 2T oil.

Maxum with Hanson 3D Max, Maxum Nitro, Maxum 30.5cc modified engine, RH Generator, Sceadu .50Hyper
04-18-2008 08:42 AM
 
 
TooBizzy
Senior Heliman
Location: Georgetown, Ohio USA

I'm using Amsoil Saber 100-1. I'm also using it in the weedeater and leafblower! Anybody who flies these gassers find themselves tuning the weedeater and leaf blower now?!?!?!?! Oil is not dripping out of the exhaust like it used to!

P-Gasser Se, Raptor 50 Se Hyper, Raptor 30v2, Trex450se, 3dx450...
04-18-2008 11:04 AM
 
 
Eury
Elite Veteran
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

I use the same Mobil 2t as Shiro and have for years in everything. Unfortunately, Mobil stopped making it last fall, so I've got to pick something new once the 2qts I have on the shelf run out.


Nick Crego
Never trust a big butt and a smile
04-18-2008 01:01 PM
 
 
turbo35
Senior Heliman
Location: Southern Ohio

Amsoil Sabre 100:1, I use 2oz per gallon for a 64:1 mix. Works great

Fly it like you stole it, not like your gonna break it !!!
04-18-2008 02:38 PM
 
 
JETMAN
Senior Heliman
Location: WA

Good, I use amzoil 100:1 in my huge gas planes, so this way I still can use the same fuel can for all my stuff.

www.3dfoamy.com
04-18-2008 03:06 PM
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TooBizzy
Senior Heliman
Location: Georgetown, Ohio USA

What ratio of Amsoil do you use in your large gasser planes? What fuel do you use? Octane?

P-Gasser Se, Raptor 50 Se Hyper, Raptor 30v2, Trex450se, 3dx450...
04-18-2008 05:02 PM
 
 
JETMAN
Senior Heliman
Location: WA

Hi, in my Desert Aircraft DA50, DA100 and DA150's I run Amzoil Sabre 100:1 mixed as its meant to be, with regular or premium. Its what DA recommends and it works great, no mess at all. Now, break in with lawnboy ashless at 32:1, gross.... I cant want to get an engine broke in and off that junk. BTW, my big plane is all composite, 132" wingspan and 42lbs dry.

www.3dfoamy.com
04-18-2008 05:11 PM
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nivlek
Elite Veteran
Location: Norfolk England

Castrol TTS when it's run in , but you could use a mineral oil for run in .

At the end of the day , it gets dark .
04-18-2008 05:28 PM
 
 
rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

Jetman

Try using the 100:1 Amsoil on your gasser heli "as its meant to be" and you'll be making engine repairs pretty quick...

-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
Spectra-g, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
04-18-2008 07:17 PM
 
 
tim225
Senior Heliman
Location: N Wales (UK)

Thanks for all the replies, looks like Castrol TTS will be the easiest to source in the UK,Amsoil won't ship to the UKAny particular brand of mineral oil I should look for in the UK for breaking? in as I can't get Lawnboy Ashless here.
Tim

Vario Bell 230 Gasser,Vario Benzin Trainer,T-Rex 600N, Hirobo Shuttle Plus,Century GL450SE
04-18-2008 07:35 PM
 
 
JETMAN
Senior Heliman
Location: WA

Quote 
Try using the 100:1 Amsoil on your gasser heli "as its meant to be" and you'll be making engine repairs pretty quick...

-=>Raja.

Why is that? They run too hot? "as its meant to be"= how the manufacturer designed the oil.. you can search on it if you want, Im not going to rehash that part, its been all over the net a million times. If I run 50:1 Id buy that.. just saying...

So 100:1 wont work, tell me why please.

www.3dfoamy.com
04-18-2008 08:11 PM
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DenisS
Veteran
Location: Essex, UK

I'm using the oil made especially for these engines for King Cobra at www.kingcobra.co.uk. Contact Bob, it works well and no problems getting it. He is in haslingdon, lancashire. email bob@kingcobra.co.uk
Cheers
Denis
PS I think it's called Racing Venom, but I haven't got the bottle in front of me.

Crash 'n Lurn
04-18-2008 08:16 PM
 
 
rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

Because

When you run lean on the oil the minute you have a hot run or the engine leans out just a bit and overheats, there isn't enough oil in there to protect your engine.

That being said, helicopters run alot harder and hotter than airplanes do. But even with airplanes, if you spend alot of time "hovering", you can also overheat the engine and damage it if there is little oil in there. That's why some of the airplane folks build ducts to blow on the cylinders.

In any case its been tried here before by other people, experts like Billme, and he's gone as lean at 80:1 if I remember right but has backed off at least to 64:1 at a minimum because while he can do it he feels that there is very little margin for error (is what I think and bill correct me if I'm wrong) or maybe he saw some signs of light damage to the motors.

Personally I run 36:1 to 40:1 and don't go any less than this. When I add oil to my gas, I err on the "more" side of 40:1 which sort of puts me around the 36:1 range. I feel that the less oil in there, the less of a range of operating temps you have in which the engine can survive. If you run it at 100:1 you're on the razor's edge, and you'd better be in better than ideal running conditions at all times to have a fighting chance.

Anyway, if you're curious and want to find out, run it at 100:1 for a while and see how it pans out. Maybe it would be good to run two, one at 100:1, the other at 40:1, and see over time what happens to the engine with wear and marks on the piston, as a gallon or a couple of flights may not show long term effects.

-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
Spectra-g, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
04-18-2008 08:22 PM
 
 
JETMAN
Senior Heliman
Location: WA

The way I see it, running lean is bad period isnt it? Regardless of being 40:1 or 100:1? Knowing that my gas heli engine will probably run hotter, I probably wont run it at 100:1, but will use synthetic oil in it regardless. I do alot of hovering on my big twin 2 stroke planes, but not a whole tank. :P

www.3dfoamy.com
04-18-2008 08:25 PM
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rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

Almost

Running lean with alot of oil is safe(r).
Running lean with not alot of oil is bad.

I've been flying helis for over 2250 flights and if its too lean it won't spool up after landing hot but it also won't burn up if you're covered with oil.

-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
Spectra-g, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
04-18-2008 08:43 PM
 
 
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