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Miniature Aircraft Nitro/Gas Helicopters > Stratus: vibrations
 
 
Alexander01
Senior Heliman
Location: Sweden

Hi MA experts!

I experience some kind of vibrations, that are mostly indicated at tail boom area, but even throughout the whole frame. I use YS91SR @ 1850 rpm (tryed changing rpm from 1780 to 1900 with no positive result). Total fan runout is 0.001''.
Both screws, that hold boom supports, worked themselves out of horizontal tail boom clamp, now there's not enough plastic for screws to hold themselves in place.

I believe it's engine related, as after I've hitted throttle hold switch, all the vibrations stop. Another issue that is pretty strange is that while turning the main gear by hand anti-clockwise against the pinion, it doesn't turn smooth, some uneven friction is present, but if you turn starter shaft say a halv turn, than it could become smooth. I disassembled the frames yesterday (separated lower from above) and tried to figure out why it behaves in that way.
I've found out that it's possible to reproduce that effect without the engine present. I thought that the clutch bell assembly and lower clutch block assembly are self-aligned (as there are no possibilities of doing it), but may be it should be done in some other way?
One more thing, if you remove the rubber o-ring, that goes on the bottom of starter shaft, everything is then smooth, with no friction.
But then, if the o-ring is not there, the clutch bell could simply fall down on the clutch.
Or could my starter shaft/clutch block be bent?

QuickUK Team Pilot SAB Team Pilot
04-14-2008 07:58 AM
 
 
bparro
Veteran
Location: indianapolis,in

I would take the whole clutch assembly out and check for bad bearings/bent shaft. Has this been crashed?

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04-14-2008 01:23 PM
 
 
Alexander01
Senior Heliman
Location: Sweden

No, nothing has been bent/ crashed. The heli is brand new.

QuickUK Team Pilot SAB Team Pilot
04-14-2008 01:38 PM
 
 
BJames111
Elite Veteran
Location: Billings, Montana

You say you dialed the fan, but did you balance it as well? Mine was out quite a bit.

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04-14-2008 02:23 PM
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Alexander01
Senior Heliman
Location: Sweden

BJames111:

I didn't, as manual didn't say to do that. But maybe I should go for Maryland fan instead, it seems to be "fit-and-forget" part

Thanks!

QuickUK Team Pilot SAB Team Pilot
04-14-2008 02:39 PM
 
 
Ghostrider
Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA

Loosen up the engine plate and take the heli up into a hover. Land and re-tighten the engine plate. It will allow the engine to align itself. This may be your problem and it is easy to do.

If that does not work, I would check the fan.

Currently flying:
Trex 600N Pro, BW Stratus, Aurora!
04-14-2008 02:43 PM
 
 
Alexander01
Senior Heliman
Location: Sweden

Ghostrider:

I did that trick yesterday, it didn't solve anything

Then it is the fan......

Cheers!

QuickUK Team Pilot SAB Team Pilot
04-14-2008 02:51 PM
 
 
Ghostrider
Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA

You may want to call MA also. I have had a couple of issues where I was scratching my head and they helped me resolve them. They are great for helping you track down a problem. Just another source of ideas.

Don't give up on the heli though. Once you get it all dialed in, it will be the most amazing heli you will ever own. Any frustrations you are going through now will all be worth it in the end. Good luck to you and make sure you let us know what the outcome or solution is.

Currently flying:
Trex 600N Pro, BW Stratus, Aurora!
04-14-2008 03:01 PM
 
 
Alexander01
Senior Heliman
Location: Sweden

Thanks for your encouragement Ghostrider! I surely need that.

I'm neither a lousy mechanic, nor am I unable to analyse the cause of a certain problem. But this heli is totally different to everything I've earlier maintained and flown. The frame is very rigid, and it surely doesn't tolerate assembly shortcuts.

As MA is known for it's quality, I'm the last person to suspect that something could be out of true (e.g. starter shaft pressed at wrong angle against the clutch). But sometimes one has to think "out of the box".

Anyway, I won't give up on this problem, this heli is a blast when flown hard. In a worst case, if the problem is unsolvable, I'll still fly it and have fun as long as it lasts

QuickUK Team Pilot SAB Team Pilot
04-14-2008 03:12 PM
 
 
jphilli
Senior Heliman
Location: Marietta, Ga.

Definitely check the fan balance. Mine was out a bit to. Did you install governor magnets?
04-14-2008 09:52 PM
 
 
jake26
Senior Heliman
Location: southern cali

im totally making a shot in the dark but...if you say it freed up when you took out the o-ring under the clutch housing. i think you need to loosen your collars on the main shaft and raise the mains haft gear a slight amount. of course you will have to reset your tr pinon gear. just something to think about. and check out. the reasons your vibes goe away when you put her in throttle hold is because the main gear is no longer turning

fly it like u stole it
04-15-2008 04:25 AM
 
 
Ghostrider
Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA

Quote 
im totally making a shot in the dark but...if you say it freed up when you took out the o-ring under the clutch housing. i think you need to loosen your collars on the main shaft and raise the mains haft gear a slight amount. of course you will have to reset your tr pinon gear. just something to think about. and check out. the reasons your vibes goe away when you put her in throttle hold is because the main gear is no longer turning

Good idea!

Currently flying:
Trex 600N Pro, BW Stratus, Aurora!
04-15-2008 04:31 AM
 
 
Alexander01
Senior Heliman
Location: Sweden

Thanks for you suggestions guys!

Jake:

I was considering the option you've suggested. The thing is that main gear does go smoothly against pinion, but if I turn the starter shaft half a turn, then it could generate some friction. The friction is not against the main gear/pinion, but something inside clutch assembly unit.

Anyway, I've ordered clutch block and clutch bell block, I'll check the fan balance, eliminate the runout to 0 and change the suspected components. And I hope that should solve the problem.

Cheers!

QuickUK Team Pilot SAB Team Pilot
04-15-2008 07:32 AM
 
 
jake26
Senior Heliman
Location: southern cali

ok man well have fun with it and let us know how it turns out k

fly it like u stole it
04-15-2008 07:46 AM
 
 
Dalbe
New Heliman
Location: Newcastle New South Wales Australia

Hi you could also have a bent Tail drive shaft spoke to a guy today that has had bent tail shafts from new and had a bad vibe in the tail that transfered into the frame.Something to look at if you have no luck with clutch etc.
04-15-2008 07:51 AM
 
 
Alexander01
Senior Heliman
Location: Sweden

Dalbe:

I thought about it, but shouldn't vibes still be there when I hit throttle hold from 1850 rpm?

Thanks anyway for your advice!

QuickUK Team Pilot SAB Team Pilot
04-15-2008 09:30 AM
 
 
Alexander01
Senior Heliman
Location: Sweden

Update:

I've changed the clutch stack and clutch bell assembly. Now the main gear turns smoothly.

I still have some tail issues. They could be described as irrational gyro behaviour. The tail drifts @ 1900 rpm with Spartan gyro, which has been mounted both at the ordinary spot and underneath the battery tray (current location). Engine tuning doesn't improve the drifting issues, however, if the engine is tuned leaner, the spontanious tail wandering is decreased. Everything is dialed in, the fan is practically spot on and well balanced.

I run my YS91sr + SB19 at 1,5 turn out on the hover needle, 1 turn out on the high and the low is flush with the carby (CoolPower 30%).

QuickUK Team Pilot SAB Team Pilot
04-21-2008 09:23 AM
 
 
Knud Pedersen
Veteran
Location: Denmark - Europa

I did have some drift problems before.
Now I have mounted my CSM 720 gyro as shwon on the photo.


Maybe that could help you.....



Knud Pedersen
04-21-2008 11:11 AM
 
 
Alexander01
Senior Heliman
Location: Sweden

Sounds like a good idea, thanks Knud.

BTW, do you know if Bente is still running her business with Rotordisken? I have to order some canopy gromets for my other canopy?

QuickUK Team Pilot SAB Team Pilot
04-21-2008 11:15 AM
 
 
Knud Pedersen
Veteran
Location: Denmark - Europa

Hi

Jep, She is still running the store, and still Top Service
She have changed the "Phone open time"......

I have just order some stuff, again


ChopperKnud

Knud Pedersen
04-21-2008 11:21 AM
 
 
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