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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > question for you guys
 
 
reaper31
Heliman
Location: denver, CO, usa

i am sure this might have been covered before but i figure i would make a new more current post.
i have been looking at the panthera and was wondering what you guys think of it? would it be worth getting and also how is parts support? gain thanks for any help
04-12-2008 10:01 AM
 
 
The Dude II
Senior Heliman
Location: Martinsville, IN - USA

Rock steady hover.

Tracks like it's on rails.

Easy to work on.

Price is right.

JB and the info here in this forum are right-on.

Parts availability is excellent.

The heli can be tuned for an absolute beginner... all the way to 3D.

Glad I have two in my stable!

Oh..biggest one...the Pantera flies great out of the box with no upgrades...but if you want the next level, metal yoke, metal swash, seesaw arms...few "bling" upgrades that are really all about performance.

it really tied the room together
04-12-2008 12:11 PM
 
 
SilverBullet
Senior Heliman
Location: Bentonville, AR USA

I agree totally. If this had been my first heli I wouldn't have bought any others. It is durable. Has a great design. Very versatile. And customer support is beyond anything you will ever find. During my build, JB personally responded to PMs I sent. I don't know that you would find that from any other company. I am actually going to sell my Raptor 30V2 and buy a second Pantera for a scale build.
04-12-2008 02:54 PM
 
 
reaper31
Heliman
Location: denver, CO, usa

cool, thanks for the info. i was considering the pantera for my next scale project as well. does the pantera have a hollow main shaft as well as the tiger? or are they interchangeable? if not how does the tiger 50 stack up to the pantera if the goal was not to do 3d but but it in a scale machine?
04-12-2008 04:45 PM
 
 
MartyH
Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

I have several different brands of helicopters and my favorites are all Audacity helis. I have 4 Panteras and a Tiger and they both will 3D and they both have great flying qualities. Both can be used in scale projects. The Pantera has built in spots for additional servos for retracts and whatever but the Tiger is lighter and will fit in many scale bodies easier. The Pantera is more heavy duty but they both have giant bearings and a 90 size clutch. If you can only have one, get the Pantera. If you are puting one of these in a scale project that does not require addtional servos, use the Tiger. It is lighter and less expensive.

Marty,
8 Raptors, Hawk Pro
EVO 50&90, Knight 3D
2 Audacity Panteras & Tiger 50
04-12-2008 07:05 PM
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reaper31
Heliman
Location: denver, CO, usa

thats awesome i needed i heli with a hollow shaft. do you guys think you could give some measurements? i could use them for both the tiger and the pantera. i need the frame measurements of the side view and also how wide the frame actually is for both models, i attached a MS paint drawing to show in red the measurement im talking about sorry for it being so primitive im at work right now and MS paint is all i have. and again i also need the with of the frame on the outside. the reason is because i would like to start drawing the plans for my fuselage before i go out and buy the heli kit, you know to kinda get a head start cuz it looks like the pantera is the way to go with this. THANKS!!!
04-13-2008 08:08 AM
 
 
reaper31
Heliman
Location: denver, CO, usa

ok i guess the picture wont load.. but i pretty much just need all the measurements from bottom, side, top, that piece that come up on the main shaft and the back part, and the with, im not sure what im doing wrong with the importing pics but it wont work for me thanks again.
04-13-2008 08:16 AM
 
 
MartyH
Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

Reaper, go buy the kit. It wont be a "head start" if one of the measurements is off and to be honest, my gut feeling is that you are not going to buy either one.

Marty,
8 Raptors, Hawk Pro
EVO 50&90, Knight 3D
2 Audacity Panteras & Tiger 50
04-13-2008 01:38 PM
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jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Hello Reaper1,

I've been off duty for a bit handling some family matters.

I am impressed you want to make your own fuselage. What model do you have in mind? Please contact me and I will be pleased to help you by measuring whatever you have in mind. That said, please alow me to share with you some information you may find helpful.

Basically, all the 50-class helis are about the same size, i.e. not just my Pantera and Tiger, which for all practical purposes with respect to placement within a fusleage share identical dimensions, but the Raptor, 600N, Sceadu, etc. are also pretty much the same size, i.e. length between main shaft center and tail output shaft center. Similarly, width, height, weight, are similar.

Details like additional servos are the exclusive domain of the Pantera however, i.e. other helis support 5 servos and the Pantera accepts 8 servos within the frames. Furthermore, the Pantera/Tiger being CCPM allow the complete removal of the radio platform because it only supports the receiver and battery while a Raptor or Sceadu cannot possibly allow this because that's where the servos mount. What does this mean in practice? Simple, it's where you build scale detail - like the entire cockpit area, which is impossible with those other birds.

Finally, while I have a dog in this hunt and thus have definite opnions about the suitability of one of our products, the fact is you are talking about building your own fuselage, which means you can make "any" helicopter mechanics work for your goals. Hence, MartyH's advice of going ahead and getting your choice is good advice because there's no way to sketch out your dream without having the model in hand. Basically, you may make some progress with measurements, but the real work happens when you have the model itself in hand. Your comment of selecting the Pantera as opposed to the Tiger is likely spot on.

Anyway, scale is my favorite form of aeromodeling and for this selfish reason I am very interested in what you develop. Furthermore, I would be very pleased if you'd take photos as you progress and share them with me directly (to my personal email) so that maybe we can make a white paper fomr what results for me to put on the website so that folks who follow you can benefit from what you do in the future.

Good luck pal.


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
04-13-2008 05:47 PM
 
 
MartyH
Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

Hey, speaking of White papers, dont you have one from Bill or Herc that never got published yet? I'd love to see more scale uses of your helis. My Tiger was supposed to end up inside a Funkey 500D that I have on hand but I'm having too much fun aerobatically with it right now.

Marty,
8 Raptors, Hawk Pro
EVO 50&90, Knight 3D
2 Audacity Panteras & Tiger 50
04-13-2008 06:04 PM
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reaper31
Heliman
Location: denver, CO, usa

well i wold love to keep you guys updated about what im doing and MartyH
the reason a asked was because im still finishing up my current project (should be done this month) and the wife says only one thing at a time (don't really agree with this statement) but anyway the drawing process cane be done whenever, but you are absolutely right about "one wrong measurement" so i think i will be getting at last a set of main frames to get the dimensions right, but i really do want to use the heli as the mechanics..really like the hollow shaft!
04-13-2008 08:49 PM
 
 
Herc
Key Veteran
Location: Cranbrook, BC - Canada

reaper31,

Are you looking at hollow shaft to put an FCR on an Apache or Kiowa Warrior scale body? Curious.

Shayne

Tiger & Pantera 50s
BRC Intrepid Gas
Predator Gas SE
Hirobo SST Eagle 2 98
Hughes 500D
04-14-2008 12:06 AM
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reaper31
Heliman
Location: denver, CO, usa

yes, but im thinking a 50 size eurocopter tiger, the german version also has a sensor mast in it, thought that would be cool!
04-14-2008 02:05 AM
 
 
Herc
Key Veteran
Location: Cranbrook, BC - Canada

That and the raised tail rotor should make for an interesting project.

Shayne

Tiger & Pantera 50s
BRC Intrepid Gas
Predator Gas SE
Hirobo SST Eagle 2 98
Hughes 500D
04-14-2008 02:14 AM
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reaper31
Heliman
Location: denver, CO, usa

yeah i know the rotor issue is what im looking into next. is there a tube drive mod available for the pantera or tiger? or has someone done this on their own?
04-14-2008 02:32 AM
 
 
MartyH
Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

The Pantera and the Tiger are both traditional belt drive.

Marty,
8 Raptors, Hawk Pro
EVO 50&90, Knight 3D
2 Audacity Panteras & Tiger 50
04-14-2008 03:16 AM
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Herc
Key Veteran
Location: Cranbrook, BC - Canada

The Approach Engineering Apache has a flex shaft drive and there was an adaptor kit made for belt driven Raptors that would probably work for a Pantera or Tiger. Approach is no longer being made since the death of its founder James Linder. You could check and see if there are any adaptors available through Starwood Models.

This is what the tail looks like on the Approach Engineering Apache. I don't think I have any pics of the open tail showing the flex drive system. You can make it out coming frame where the boom would be on this Raven. The adaptor utilizes the belt drive which goes to the adapter at the base of the tail. This is a torque tube driven Raven so it was an easy adaptation to flex driven.


Shayne



Tiger & Pantera 50s
BRC Intrepid Gas
Predator Gas SE
Hirobo SST Eagle 2 98
Hughes 500D
04-14-2008 03:26 AM
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reaper31
Heliman
Location: denver, CO, usa

i was kinda thinking about those, and last i thought i read somewhere that starwood now owns approach engineering and is going tostart re-releasing the kits in a few weeks... hopefully they will also have the conversion for the tail, do the raptor and panter and tiger have the same boom diameter then? cuz maybe i could find one somewhere from someone that is not using theirs.
04-14-2008 08:11 AM
 
 
MartyH
Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

They not only have the same diameter, they have the same boom.

Marty,
8 Raptors, Hawk Pro
EVO 50&90, Knight 3D
2 Audacity Panteras & Tiger 50
04-14-2008 08:29 AM
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reaper31
Heliman
Location: denver, CO, usa

then i suppose i should start looking for one of those conversion kits, cuz i didnt see the adaptor on the starwood website anymore, he now only has the kits listed hopefully i can find one somewhere this i looking pretty darn good!
04-14-2008 08:36 AM
 
 
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