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Billingsnutz
Senior Heliman
Location: Daphne Alabama. Currently in Kuwait

Anyone have a clue when they're going to have the Jet Ranger in stock? I was kind of hoping to order one and have it waiting for me when I got home from deployment. I've been checking for the past 6 months and still out of stock.

Annoying the world one person at a time. Raptor 60, T-Rex 450 XL, Hawk Pro, Kavan Jet Ranger
04-11-2008 04:48 PM
 
 
Billingsnutz
Senior Heliman
Location: Daphne Alabama. Currently in Kuwait

Bump

Annoying the world one person at a time. Raptor 60, T-Rex 450 XL, Hawk Pro, Kavan Jet Ranger
04-12-2008 10:39 AM
 
 
RAK402
Veteran
Location: Alhambra, CA

Try sending them an email.

I sent one asking if they would, at any time, have any of the parts for the original American R/C helicopters.

The responded immediately.
(the answer was, sadly, no).
04-12-2008 10:38 PM
 
 
Billingsnutz
Senior Heliman
Location: Daphne Alabama. Currently in Kuwait

I sent them an email so I'm waiting on a response.

Annoying the world one person at a time. Raptor 60, T-Rex 450 XL, Hawk Pro, Kavan Jet Ranger
04-28-2008 08:10 PM
 
 
Billingsnutz
Senior Heliman
Location: Daphne Alabama. Currently in Kuwait

Btw there is one on ebay right now for $995 and I'm tempted to buy it. But when buying on ebay you never quite know what you're going to get in the mail so thats the only thing stopping me.

Annoying the world one person at a time. Raptor 60, T-Rex 450 XL, Hawk Pro, Kavan Jet Ranger
04-28-2008 08:12 PM
 
 
heli_headcase
Veteran
Location: Hovering around Atlanta

My Opinion...

The eBay heli looks pretty good but the construction has been started. This pretty much kills any interest as far as I'm concerned. If the bulkheads are not correctly fit, cut undersized, more wood and work will be needed to correct the errors. The fuse window openings are cut too and this allows the glass work to distort over time, and weakens the frame around the windows. Could also be overcut where the window borders lie and be a real pain to correct. At least the windows are still bagged and look pristine.


HHC

So many heli's - too little time...
04-28-2008 09:10 PM
 
 
Billingsnutz
Senior Heliman
Location: Daphne Alabama. Currently in Kuwait

Ok I got an email back from Thomas Gregory.

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I bought my first RC heli in 1980 and it was a Kavan AII. I never in my wildest dreams thought that some day I would own the company. The Kavan helicopters were started in production in 1972 and when Franz Kavan suddenly died in 1992, the production stopped. It took me and my partner, the better part of a year to locate the president to Kavan, the daughter of Franz, and finally closed the deal in May of 2007. I guess what I am trying to say is, after the line was just sitting for years, we bought it lock stock and barrel. Well, it is taking us longer than we thought to get all parts needed to get back in full production as soon as we wanted. We are at this time having molds made for the fuse parts and also having a plug and mold made with more scale detail and modified as well. Mods are: tail boom will be separate from the main fuselage, the horizontal and vertical fins will be made of Epoxy glass instead of balsa. We will have mods coming more and more as we get geared up. Both of us that own the new company have full time jobs right now, so some of the coordination is time consuming. Please bear with us as we are striving to get the fuselages on the market as soon as we can. I know the finished product will be the best in the US and maybe the World. I will get the website update as soon as possible to reflect the time line.

It was very nice getting an email back from him so quickly.

Annoying the world one person at a time. Raptor 60, T-Rex 450 XL, Hawk Pro, Kavan Jet Ranger
04-30-2008 05:51 AM
 
 
human213
Senior Heliman
Location: malibu

Ditto

I built two jet rangers, and Steve is right.


For the price, you can find a nib, and that is the way to go

The machine is a bear trap for less than top notch building, and
it will become a brick as per Steve. One last thing...hate to
rain here, but anything other than an original jet ranger is unproven,
and may have a market value of zero...it remains to be seen
if any value will be associated with it.
Personally, I think not.
The original is just that, with a history that is legendary..
If I buy tooling and build my own P4, is it a Ferrari?


There are several absolutely needed mods, and weight savers,
I would keep looking...


also, this has been a good source for me...



Ebay, germany...



michael

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.
05-01-2008 05:49 PM
 
 
RAK402
Veteran
Location: Alhambra, CA

I still have my old Jet Ranger, which I purchased used back in the 1980's. It has not flown since about 1983.

I am starting to resurrect some of my old machines. With American R/C making parts at some point, I now have the option of restoring the Kavan.

It is a good thing.

(Hopefully they will improve some things and update the mixing ratios.)
05-01-2008 06:06 PM
 
 
Billingsnutz
Senior Heliman
Location: Daphne Alabama. Currently in Kuwait

So are you saying I shouldn't get a Jet Ranger from them?

Annoying the world one person at a time. Raptor 60, T-Rex 450 XL, Hawk Pro, Kavan Jet Ranger
05-01-2008 06:39 PM
 
 
human213
Senior Heliman
Location: malibu

Copies vs originals

I did not state it was not a good thing to have parts
from any source...nor did I suggest anyone should buy or not
purchase anything from any one...rather, an accurate support of the
very good advice Steve gave you, as one who is very experienced with the machine. I had over 2600 flights on the two, incident free, and never even broke a single rotor blade. Both kits were given to me
by Franz Kavan himself, and were among the very first ones released in the states.

I agree that parts for any vintage model are certainly a positive.



What is accurate, and I stand by it, is that there is only
one original jet ranger...the new heli baby reproduction is a good
thing also..but it is a copy. That does not abrogate the pluses
of parts availability, etc. Even updated, the jet ranger cannot hope
to compete as a complete machine in any meaningful numbers in today's
marketplace, as it is a severely dated and obsolete and heavy design. It faded to antique status for these reasons.

Nonetheless, I love the original with a deep and abiding respect
for the work of it's designers, and have a deep sentimental attachment to my third heli purchased. It was years ahead of the competition at the time of it's introduction, with correct swash plate geometry, a modern tail rotor box, and was the first machine with bell mixing, not to mention nuberous other firsts.

Another plus of all the old fuse machines, is ther resonant frequency is different and louder than frame fuse combos, and they sound bitching, in a more ominous and exciting fashion, when flown hard at full throttle...some would suggest scary.

I am not happy unless little children run away crying.



Caveat emptor.

michael

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.
05-02-2008 08:46 PM
 
 
Billingsnutz
Senior Heliman
Location: Daphne Alabama. Currently in Kuwait

I have my fathers original in the closet. I remember seeing it fly when I was a little boy. And when I got into years later I always wanted to build one of my own.

Annoying the world one person at a time. Raptor 60, T-Rex 450 XL, Hawk Pro, Kavan Jet Ranger
05-02-2008 10:04 PM
 
 
human213
Senior Heliman
Location: malibu

Great!

It is exactly that nostalagia, as a youngster, and in gerneral, that
that drives the desire to indulge some of the unfulfilled wishes that were more difficult to indulge
during those formative years..


and this machine at full throttle, like the Graupner 212, has
a very special sound...

You will be very happy with your Jet Ranger, it is a very satisfying
and beautiful machine...

too much power is just the right amount...





best,


michael

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.
05-03-2008 11:26 PM
 
 
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