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After Market Accessories > SpiderGear landing gear for T-Rex 450
 
 
Mavrik1
Heliman
Location: Tucson, Arizona

xgear should be giving a set to someone (not me) that is opposing the product, these are the people you have to convince. I personally think this product is too heavy as well.

Bad Karma has a point, it should be a damper, not a spring.

This product will only work on a smooth surface and a straight down landing in order for the skids to slide apart. If you are on grass, this would not be able to spread apart.

I just had a hard landing yesterday and it bent the plastic skid support inward (gust of wind and I tried to land quickly). What I see in this instance with this gear is the spring stop pin breaking the thin aluminum bracket and a need to buy replacement parts.



The bottom line is having fun.
04-13-2008 04:54 PM
 
 
xgear
New Heliman
Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon

ok, so then your saying that none of the landing gear work on grass then? these gear operate in the same principle. when stock gear flex, they are also spreading, and if you were paying attention to my post, it says that if anything breaks, it will be replaced. Its going to take more than a trex coming down to break these things. These gear are lighter than training gear as well, especially since the stock gear is removed. when i was on training gear, the rex flew them around just fine as well.
04-14-2008 04:30 AM
 
 
xgear
New Heliman
Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon

mavrik, also, it could be a damper without too much more engineering, but then you are adding more weight which i would also get flamed for and people would tell me that i needed to use a spring of some sort.
04-14-2008 04:32 AM
 
 
umdpru
Key Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

what you really need is a spring AND a dampener.

you wouldn't buy a car with only a spring or only a dampener for the suspension would you?
04-14-2008 02:03 PM
 
 
xgear
New Heliman
Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon

umd, actually there is a simple dampner built in, If you run the wheel collar pressed tight enough holding the arm and base together, you get a dampening effect. There is a nylon washer in there acting as a thrust bearing as well. How tight to actually run the wheel collar is going to be left up to the customers though
04-14-2008 03:41 PM
 
 
Mavrik1
Heliman
Location: Tucson, Arizona

There would not be any difference between your gear and stock gear in grass. Stock landing gear has less travel than yours, yours would have problems absorbing more G force because of lack of gear spreading in the grass. The initial G force of impact would go deep into the grass, this is when the gear needs to spread to absorb the G force of impact (the bases of your design). By the time it clears enough grass (bouncing up) to spread, the G force has already been transferred into the heli. We are talking about a 1.5 pound bird traveling X speed landing on a couple of square inches of landing skids. Drop a 1.5 pound rock on grass and it will go deep and the rock has more surface area than skids.

Does this warranty include free shipping and handling, both ways? Most warranties don't (I don't call this a free replacement if I have to spend money on shipping and handling). Stock skid supports run about $5.50 a pair. Shipping both ways would cost about this much. Not to mention the transit wait time for this exchange. (I buy everything on-line and waiting is a huge drag)

Lighter than trainers, how do you figure!? You said these weight 1.5 oz more than stock gear and Styrofoam trainers weight 1/2 of an oz. So you gear weights 1 oz MORE, than stock gear and Styrofoam ball trainers.

It's commendable that you are trying to invent something new, but it needs to be better, cheaper AND lighter than what's available.

The bottom line is having fun.
04-14-2008 10:37 PM
 
 
Morris
Senior Heliman
Location: Hong Kong

Xgear, please check PM

Failing to plan is planning to fail
04-14-2008 11:30 PM
 
 
xgear
New Heliman
Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon

Mavrik,

Not sure how you are figuring all of this, but these work exactly the same as stock gear, they spread out just like plastic gear absorbing load, but unlike plastic gear, they do not have a breaking point. If you do not like them, don't buy any.
04-15-2008 05:31 AM
 
 
xgear
New Heliman
Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon

The first reviews are coming in, check them out here
http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=70153
04-15-2008 07:29 PM
 
 
J_Cunny
Senior Heliman
Location: Austin, Texas

X-man,

E-mail inbound on these....

JC
04-16-2008 02:18 PM
 
 
umdpru
Key Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

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Well...it's definitely heavier. My stock gear with screws and all (as pictured below) weighed in at 29.9g (1.06oz). Spider Gear weighed in at a whopping 123g (4.34oz).

4.34 - 1.06 = 3.28.

Thats a bit more than 1.5 ounces.

Also, it was mentioned that this gear is intended to help intermediate pilots when dealing with a rough landing or an auto. My opinion is that if someone is learning auto's then they aught to know how to land so as to not damage their heli.

I don't see how the comparison to training gear is valid. They are only marginally wider and longer than stock gear...
04-16-2008 02:28 PM
 
 
xgear
New Heliman
Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon

Umd, When i was first weighing these, I was weighing them on a dial ounce scale and it was off a little, here are the final weigh ins on a digital gram scale.
Spider Gear Legs 74 grams
Spider Gear Legs with my solid skids 112 grams
Spider Gear Legs with stock align tubes 82 grams
(If I leave the skid holes small, you can run the align tubes as mentioned)
Stiffener plate 4 grams

Since you are a key veteran, these gear obviously are not for you, about the auto thing, i've heard several comments of people having mishaps with auto's, including a good friend of mine that is a pretty good pilot that screwed up an auto and broke his frame. apparently you are better than everybody else and should be providing flight lessons.
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you back and forth, I can apply my time better talking to people with real questions and concerns





4.34 - 1.06 = 3.28.

Thats a bit more than 1.5 ounces.

Also, it was mentioned that this gear is intended to help intermediate pilots when dealing with a rough landing or an auto. My opinion is that if someone is learning auto's then they aught to know how to land so as to not damage their heli.

I don't see how the comparison to training gear is valid. They are only marginally wider and longer than stock gear...

the greatest virtue of wisdom is admitting when you are wrong!
04-16-2008 05:45 PM
 
 
umdpru
Key Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

Quote 
Since you are a key veteran, these gear obviously are not for you, about the auto thing, i've heard several comments of people having mishaps with auto's, including a good friend of mine that is a pretty good pilot that screwed up an auto and broke his frame. apparently you are better than everybody else and should be providing flight lessons.

sorry to come off rudely, I didn't really intend it to be that way.

I was merely pointing out an inconsistency in your products claims...
04-16-2008 06:33 PM
 
 
xgear
New Heliman
Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon

Umd, thats ok, my patience gets tested periodically. I apologize about the weights, i should have used a better scale to start with. I'm working on sourcing aluminum tubing right now for the skids, that will drop the weight quite abit. I've been getting very good reactions to these locally here in southern oregon and also on the heli forums. I've been working with distributors in the U.S., Canada and Asia. I certainly do not want this to come off as an expensive gimmick that doesn't have any function. I wholeheartedly beleive that this will reduce costs when mishaps happen and I know from first hand experience that thumbs get pretty stupid periodically, especially in a panic situation. If you save one carbon frame set with these, then they allready paid for themselves, plus they look nice and they do not look like some thrown together plastic piece of $%$$#. Once a pilot becomes hardcore 3d capable and he wants to shed weight, then the pilot can pull them off, sell them to a buddy that is learning and go on. As far as the auto's go, what happens if say a motor wire comes unplugged and all of a sudden you are doing a forced auto and have never done an auto or you are just working on them. I know the pro guys can turn a turd into a diamond, but what about the rest of us?

This applies to everybody that has been bashing.

Instead of coming off negative, why don't you try suggesting things instead, I'll consider all ideas, but if you come off rude flaming my product, then i'll shut the door in your face, I am so flippin busy right now, that my time needs to be applied to production and customer service answering bonafide questions and concerns. I'll always work with everybody on any question or concern.

As time goes on, I will be developing other things as well, I'm allready working on a carbon version of this, and also something for the larger nitro's.
04-16-2008 06:58 PM
 
 
J_Cunny
Senior Heliman
Location: Austin, Texas

Um,

I think you bring up some validity with your post. But for me, who could use something like this (being new to the heli scene), I'm gonna get a set just for "insurance" if you will. I'm sure once I get to the point where weight is a definate concern for me, I'll take them off just like I did the training gear. I think Matt's gear will be "selective", meaning it ain't for all tastes. I really like the novel approach he went with it making it collapsable, sure makes sense to me. I'm just sorry I hadn't thought of it first!

JC

Austin, Texas
04-16-2008 07:06 PM
 
 
MaxAdventure
Heliman
Location: Boulder, Colorado

Just found this thread and read. Have to say my first attempt at an auto in my 400 class caught me by surprise. Not enough rotating mass and I came down a lot quicker than expected. Did some pretty good damage throughout. The weight difference in the gear can be compared to all the weight differences in cheaper vs expensive batteries. Running with mid-range stuff vs always trying for top-of the line the weight isn't much. These don't have to be lighter to be a good product. If they save cash on repairs, they'll end up paying for themselves. I really like the idea of cold resistance. I get some great flying days in CO with cold weather, had issues with brittle plastic before, so I'm putting these on my shopping list.
04-18-2008 05:13 PM
 
 
Eric Cartmeniez
Senior Heliman
Location: Los Angeles California

X GEAR

Package arrived on my doorstep today. Just pulled it out of the package. Put it on the scale and it topped out at 120 grams. I am in the process of installing it now.

It seems like I always fly a turd. . .
04-19-2008 08:33 PM
 
 
Eric Cartmeniez
Senior Heliman
Location: Los Angeles California

OK got them all put together and it took maybe 6 minutes. The only problem I have run into is that the setscrews that hold the skid rods in place are 1mm instead of 1.5mm. So, I can't tighten them because I don't have an allen wrench that small. I will use a dab of ca for now though but maybe the setscrew could be made a 1.5mm which is a little more common.

It seems like I always fly a turd. . .
04-19-2008 08:46 PM
 
 
speeddemon370
Senior Heliman
Location: Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

Don't forget that this guy mr xgear gave these to ya for demo purposes. We want to see the vid. The only reason I mention it is because I've developed a couple products for the mx industry (check out speeddemonparts.com). I know what a kick in the ass it is when someone says they're going to demo and advertise something for you so you give them a free one. Then you're in thier garage 6mos later and it's still sitting in the package. Either that or they take it and run and you never see nor hear from them again. Anyways, thanks spidy gear dude and I'm looking foreward to seeing darts results.

with 2 ears and 1 mouth you should listen twice as much as you talk
04-19-2008 08:56 PM
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Eric Cartmeniez
Senior Heliman
Location: Los Angeles California

Geeze I just got them

It seems like I always fly a turd. . .
04-20-2008 02:11 AM
 
 
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