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fr8brkr
Senior Heliman
Location: Asheville,NC

Danny & Marcus.
You may or may not know that I have somewhat of a history of not always finishing my flights before the tank runs dry !!! Just curious if you boys have had a chance to see what the crash tests results look like. The photo's of the upper head have the appearance of "vulnerability" should an encounter between it and the ground occur. It may well be that it holds up very well - nonetheless just curious.

Problems ? -- Mine are flown in fresh daily

04-09-2008 04:46 PM

fr8brkr
Senior Heliman
Location: Asheville,NC

Perhaps the real endurance test will be when Henry "please I cant eat any more pasta" Caldwell gets a chance to put the tail through its paces.

Problems ? -- Mine are flown in fresh daily

04-11-2008 06:56 PM

jschenck
Elite Veteran
Location: La Vista, NE.

IMO - The lower frame area looks similar to a Raptor along with the main gear/tail gear drive assembly. Be very interesting so see how this competes with the sub $300 50 size heli's.

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04-11-2008 07:28 PM

Sam2b
Key Veteran
Location: Seattle, WA - USA

What are the max collective and cyclic pitches used during these test flights?

_Sam B_

04-11-2008 08:22 PM

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emag remrofni
Key Veteran
Location: Los Angeles California

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How does it look vulnerable? If you ask me it looks like it's a pretty beefy head to me.

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04-11-2008 08:26 PM

fr8brkr
Senior Heliman
Location: Asheville,NC

"Beefy" - compared to what?

Problems ? -- Mine are flown in fresh daily

04-11-2008 08:30 PM

Australia 50
Heliman
Location: wollongong nsw Australia

what will it be worth

pantera 50

04-11-2008 10:56 PM

uragano47812
Senior Heliman
Location: Friuli, Italy

The head design is this because it is able to do +-14° of collective pitch. I don't know exactly how much cyclic pitch they are using but it is about 7° but i'm not really sure. The head is very quick and precise and doesn't load too much the engine, this is what i see and hear.

04-12-2008 02:22 PM

miami6

Senior Heliman - Location: 32.293808, -64.775914 -

markus or danny

can you post some pics of the two part airframe system that splits the servos from the lower half the web site is not very clear

thanks

miami6

04-12-2008 02:39 PM

hornet dave
Veteran
Location: Pittsburgh PA USA

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so does anyone have the answers of how they made a raptor so light?

6.8 lbs = 6 lbs 13 oz. Throw in a canopy at 5 ounces and you get 7 lbs 2 ounces. You can get a raptor 50 down to 7 lbs 2-4 ounces pretty easily (3D canopy, carbon boom supports, lighter landing gear, lightweight power system, and mini throttle servo). Granted, it looks like someone could shave a few ounces out of the radio choices used on the pictured heli and come in at 7 lbs even without too much effort. Not bad, actually. Didn't someone have a patent on the moving flybar system?

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04-13-2008 02:23 AM

JetFire
Veteran
Location: The Golden STATE

Has potential

The whole head unit is unique. I don’t particularly favor what appears to be an entire molded plastic frame. I’m not a fan of belt driven tails either but definitely of Danny and Marcus so it’s worth looking at. Nice flying guys! Anything you both fly always looks good. Perhaps it will be on my Xmas list when and if a torque tube version comes out.

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04-13-2008 09:31 AM

Xtreme*76
Senior Heliman
Location: Roma - Italy

Weight informations

Hi to all
Thank you very much for your interest towards this new model.
About the most important aspect - that is the weight - I would to tell you that we had lots of test using different radio gears in order to optimize the flight in terms of speed on picth and cyclic movements.
Marcus and Danny Vision they're flying with 4 8717 (also on throttle) and 8900 on tail and all of us we know that it's the heavier 3D set up at the moment.
Vision flown in the videos with the set up written above is 3.200 KG (7.054 lbs) with canopy.

In a funfly we kindly asked to Lukas Riva to weight his T Rex 600N setted with:

Light Align 600 carbon blades
3 S9252 on cyclic
1 S 9650 on throttle
GY611 + S9256
No fuel tank added
OS50 Hyper with Align muffler
SG regulator all in one
Fuel magnet
TP 1200 mah (sorry something like that)

and its weight was 3.280 KG (7,231 lbs)

After this test we thought to use all the same stuffes (we called it superlight version) and when we tested the Vision it was clearly 3.140 KG (6,922 lbs) with canopy in order to fly

About the Raptor we also made the same measurement (superlight set up) but onestly it wasn't under 3.350 KG (7,385 lbs).
With Danny & Marcus set up, Raptor is 3.430 KG (7,561 lbs)

All the technical datas are coming next week on the official web site including pics and draws
Hope this helps you to get new informations
Giuseppe

04-13-2008 07:23 PM

eyeflyhelis
Elite Veteran
Location: charlotte nc

imo i see frames snapping in half right where the 90* turn is - looks to skinny. i bet it wouldn't last fr8brkr or me more than 2 crashes. for those that dont crash anymore i would say it might be a good choice but i also heard its going to be priced around $600 usd. so for that price i can buy 2 frames from competitors.
are we going to see one of these flying at huntsville? if so and you guys think its that great and durable let me and fr8brkr get a pull on it!!

only you have the power to make no difference!

04-15-2008 04:38 AM

Eco8gator

Key Veteran - Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL -

This machine looks great! I am impressed by the heads stability yet agility. Looks very similar to flybarless, but I'm concerned that since it's using a MFS head it may be a conflict of interest since I read a German comapany has the patent for MFS heads.

The weight is great but easily acheived on a T-REX 600n. Below my friend Chris Harmons before going flybarless. Chris also lost another 2 oz bringing the RTF but dry weight to 6lbs 11oz by removing the third bearing block and switching to 127g v blades vs the 140g Radix YB's. I think it ended up around 6lbs 9-10 oz flybarless.

Honestly, the weight loss didn't deliver the performance difference we had in mind and as a result we just installed an OS70 that produces 2.5hp vs the 1.9hp most .50 sized motors produce(and burn bearings every 3 gallons doing it like you see the big guys doing). The 70 conversion should the 600n a little closer to the torque seen on the electrics.

It would be really cool to see the Vision with a 50/90 motor option available and possibly 620+ rotor size.

04-15-2008 09:54 AM

eyeflyhelis
Elite Veteran
Location: charlotte nc

what gearing did you use? the 2.5hp is only if it is geared to hit that power curve correctly. it would have more low end torque stock but not as much on top.

fr8brkr another 900 niner! oh wait thats only a 700 sevenish....

only you have the power to make no difference!

04-15-2008 02:03 PM

eyeflyhelis
Elite Veteran
Location: charlotte nc

tell you what you want to sell these things i want to see a video with 2 crashes
1- wall of death from 20' straight to the ground power on
2- tumble into the ground
throttle hold on or off don't care

if the frames and head stay attached i will be amazed and tempted to get one.

only you have the power to make no difference!

04-15-2008 02:17 PM

Janis
Senior Heliman
Location: Århus, Denmark

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but I'm concerned that since it's using a MFS head it may be a conflict of interest since I read a German comapany has the patent for MFS heads.

Yes thats for sure, Jan Henseleit (Henseleit Helicopters) and Gerd Guziki from Minicopter have the patent for the MFS head. I thought only china copy the european, but it seems some european also do..........

Regards from Denmark.

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04-15-2008 02:41 PM

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1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

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tell you what you want to sell these things i want to see a video with 2 crashes 1- wall of death from 20' straight to the ground power on 2- tumble into the ground

I wanna see those too! Man... this thread is making me want to get another 50.

Dang it! I have too many places to spend money and not enough money to spend... Thanks Uncle Sam

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04-15-2008 02:43 PM

ElyQ
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Location: Remanzacco, Udine - Italy

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but I'm concerned that since it's using a MFS head it may be a conflict of interest since I read a German comapany has the patent for MFS heads.
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Yes thats for sure, Jan Henseleit (Henseleit Helicopters) and Gerd Guziki from Minicopter have the patent for the MFS head. I thought only china copy the european, but it seems some european also do..........

Regards from Denmark.

OFFICIAL INFO FROM ELYQ:
Jan Henseleit obtained a patent in 2001 for Germany only. This patent was expired the following year and nobody has renewed this patent. ElyQ presently has a modified patent beginning on 2007/08/01 that applies internationally (application NO. UD2007A000004 international classification A63H) This has already been accepted by the patents office. ElyQ is the sole owner at present moment of this technology.

04-15-2008 06:13 PM

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eyeflyhelis
Elite Veteran
Location: charlotte nc

yes but that doesn't make it look more durable. top pro pilots can make a brick look nice, i want to see the average joe fly it.

only you have the power to make no difference!

04-15-2008 07:06 PM

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