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Thunder Tiger Raptors 30-90 - Imperio > New 08 Raptors, What Would You Like ?
 
 
darksideheli
Heliman
Location: Lewiston,Idaho USA

I'd also like to see a 90 gasser conversion so most parts would be the same and some cool new decals for it to

beat the night into submission
04-03-2008 12:12 PM
 
 
Ben-T-Spindle
Elite Veteran
Location: Central Illinois

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New decals would definitely be at the top of my list – LOL
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... BTS
04-03-2008 12:48 PM
 
 
hornet dave
Veteran
Location: Pittsburgh PA USA

the part I give up about is telling everyone the simple mod so they no longer have to split frames to change bearings. I'm done. Do it the hard way and split the frames whenever you need to change a mainshaft bearing or pinion bearing. I don't care it's your time not mine.

LaHeli Maxir - The only micro that matters
04-03-2008 12:53 PM
 
 
Super D
Heliman
Location: Athens TX

Dave I looked in your Gallery for pics of what your talking about. Still curious about your mod.

Mini Titan,Raptor50 SE/Hyper
04-03-2008 01:16 PM
 
 
RCHelicopterGuy
Veteran
Location: Michigan

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the part I give up about is telling everyone the simple mod so they no longer have to split frames to change bearings. I'm done. Do it the hard way and split the frames whenever you need to change a mainshaft bearing or pinion bearing. I don't care it's your time not mine.

I've read your modification, and I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole. The plastic Raptors have a bearing seat design that wears out too quickly to begin with, and your idea compromises it even further by removing the only things that keep the bearings in the helicopter. No thanks.
04-03-2008 02:31 PM
 
 
harmdive
Senior Heliman
Location: Colchester. UK

I agree with the mods for a metal head design like the kasama. I upgraded to the TT main block and that wore out because of that one jesus bolt that goes through it. Changed over to kasama and the clamp design is superb. The main thing I would want TT to improve is the clutch design. It is far too weak. I've busted more parts to do with the Raptor clutch than I have anything else. More bearings needed (I have the third Quickuk bearing installed on 1 Rappy 50). A 4mm flybar would be good too. I do put the helis through a lot of grief and it's always the clutch that lets the model down. Had a sceadu 30 and threw that around - nothing wore out, clutch, main bearing block or otherwise. The frames are a different matter - I think there's more strength in a potato chip! I was tempted to stray from Raptors but have too many spares now and I have to keep flying the TT flag around the sheep who go with Trex's
04-03-2008 10:38 PM
 
 
S Bell
Senior Heliman
Location: Nova Scotia Canada

That's odd. I go a very long time before replacing clutch, liner or bearings. The TT metal head block already has a clamp up using the phasing ring.4mm flybar is a waste of time, the added mass will require more aggressive paddles. Raptors are not known to be common flybar throwers.

If I may, here are some suggestions since you state you are very hard on equipment. Obviously more so than I.

Install the liner with .006" to .010" clearance per shoe. Shim with paper between liner and bell using glue. This increases the shoe contact area and engagement is lower causing less wear with better hold. Use sleeve retainer between the pinion bearing and pinion. Sleeve retain the head block to the mast. I still use the 3mm mast-headblock bolt but you could drill it out to 4mm. If you did that then likely the lower mast bolt should be done too.(The free wheel inner race is real hard to drill though.) They are after all both pulling the same torque.Crashing weakens 3mm bolts so they should be replaced after an incident.

I also check my bearings once a year or two and service as required.

I've got stock Raptors several years old and they just keep on tickin. I'm a happy camper but any further product improvment is fine by me.


Stephen

Raptors are everywhere
04-04-2008 12:29 PM
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turboomni
Elite Veteran
Location: 63 Rambler Down By The Dumpster

How about lower parts prices to Align level and have 2 parts for the price of one like Align.

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly better than I can pilot them
04-04-2008 12:55 PM
 
 
RCHelicopterGuy
Veteran
Location: Michigan

Here's what I would like to see on the next-gen Raptor 90:

* DO NOT follow the lemming trail and make it a CCPM helicopter! I don't care if everyone in the world thinks that CCPM is "better"... it's not. I don't have the strength to once again get into why CCPM is not the end-all be-all system that everyone thinks it is. Some day, people will get educated to the fact that just because some particular design is widely sold, it does not logically follow that that design is the best.

Thunder Tiger has arguably one of the straightest, most interatecion-free control systems out there. Keep it that way.

* If TT is going to keep the current mechanical design on the big birds, then rotate the collective and throttle servos so that they're vertical, not horizontal. As it is, the collective servo is driving from the narrow side of the case, which is not the most stable arrangement. Making the collective servo vertical would at least allow the use of common output shaft stabilizers that use the servo mounting bosses. Shy of a redesign of the collective system which uses a redundant push-pull setup like the Bergen Intrepid, mounting the servo vertically is the easiest, most logical change which still allows for easy mounting of the tail servo underneath the canopy (where it belongs).

* Ditch the metallic center pivot pin in the current head block design, and make it a Delrin ball-type pivot instead. The current metal pin beats against the spindle too much, and causes strange wear patterns. Yes, using a ball pivot will require a redesign of the head block.

* The aileron bellcranks need to be redesigned. As it is, the swashplate link from the bellcrank is driven from the long axis of the bellcrank. The bellcrank needs to be extended so that the ball is on the side of the bellcrank, not the end.

* Get rid of the plastic pitch gauge frame spacer thingy altogether. It's unnecessary weight. Just use the hexagonal frame spacers by themselves. If anything, make the spacers a little wider, so that they have more area against the frames.

* Trim weight from the plastic boom clamps.

* Include a sleeve to fit over the tail output gear and the gear in the tail transmission, so that the pins won't come out.

* If you're going to keep the same basic head design, make various lengths of blade grip pitch arms, so that users can actually experiment with Delta.

* Regardless of whatever design is used make metal blade grips that will accept a 14mm root rotor blade! I have no idea what the TT designers were smoking when they made the SE grips 12mm.

* Don't go the Align route and make a 10mm head axle. Too heavy. The stock head axle is robust enough as it is.

* Don't hide the receiver switch plate in it's stock location. It's a pain in the butt to fit anything like a Duralite Gemini switch.

* Both the "chin" canopy and the 3D canopy are nearly 2 inches wider than they need to be. Make skinny canopies! By way of example, a Bergen Intrepid canopy will fit the 60/90 mechanics (with slight modifications... I've already tried it ), and it's 1.75" narrower than the Raptor units (even the 3D canopy). Totally transforms the appearance and improves the aerodynamics.

* Lower profile landing gear. As far as I'm concerned, noone beats the Hirobo Freya's setup.

* Ditch the self-tapping screw that holds the tail pitch bellcrank. Use a standard SHCS that threads all the way through, and secure with a locknut or double nuts.

* The tail blade grips should have two radial and one thrust bearing.

Quite honestly, I don't think that the frames and control system really need to be redone, just evolved a little (mostly in the omission of parts, along with a redesigned servo tray). If you really want to change anything, Thunder Tiger, just redesign the rotor head. Two versions would be good... a "grip mounted mixer" design with high swash ahthority, and a "flybar mounted mixer" design with high flybar authority. Whatever you do, design it around the current 12mm main shaft, so that those of us who appreciate the current rotor head design can still use it.

The strong point of the Raptor is it's refinement. Virtually all failure modes are known, and can be easily addressed. A completely clean-sheet design will have to be re-evolved. Sticking with the solid basic mechanics and introducing some new rotor head designs will - in my opinion - infuse the Raptor with new life.
04-05-2008 04:11 PM
 
 
Fullpitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Deerfield Beach,Florida

New Raptors

Yes there is problems with them,like most things they have there
problems.But I still like my Raptors,Im sure I will have my share
of problems with my new 90 Raptor.
04-05-2008 08:06 PM
 
 
Carey
Senior Heliman
Location: Allentown, NJ U.S.

For the sake of Pete

Please TT start making G10 or Carbon frames with bearing blocks for the raptor 50 with mechanical mixing.

I want to keep flying it for years but breaking plastic and splitting frames to change bearings is quite the drag.

Maybe a torque tube option as well??

Hook the community up please!
04-08-2008 10:01 PM
 
 
ZAC ATTACK
Senior Heliman
Location: Hamilton Ontario, CANADA

TT definitely needs to get with the program!!! Its like they dont even care that the 30-50-90 size Helis are being taken over by other manufactuers.Wake Up!! Wake Up!!People are knocking TT and you better answer cause when you decide to open the door,there might be no one there!!!

MAAC#77677 Medicated daily for your protection
04-08-2008 11:21 PM
 
 
AllThumbs
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

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Wake Up!! Wake Up!!People are knocking TT and you better answer cause when you decide to open the door,there might be no one there!!!

LOL.. to much coffee??

IMO I am sure TT know what they are doing..
If they rush a new design, to react quickly, you will get a new Raptor no different to anything else available on the market today....yes most of the new helis are ok although very similar.

Wait a little bit and you might get somthing better than the rest??
To make people change/come back/ stay with TT they need to offer somthing different/better
Don't forget how good the current raptor was/is. The only thing that has changed is the other manurfactures have up'd their game, just as TT did when they hit the heli scene.

Think about how different the original R30 was when it was first released...

Not everyone wants to fly the same heli....
04-09-2008 03:47 AM
 
 
Coolpowered
Key Veteran
Location: Youngstown, ohio

Only problem with the raptor line to me is the price for parts are getting out line, this was a killer heli for years because of the way it flew and and low cost parts, and lets face it, most people fly it because of the cost of parts, but that is fading away I think for the last few years, as parts keep getting alot more expensive. Example change the V2 boom, belt and guide rod to a titan to put it in a body, 55 bucks thats more than double the cost of a few years back, heck I could'nt believe that they didnt give me a guide rod with the titan boom as they do for the V2 boom, right there is a bunch of crap. and a few other parts that are way to much for what you get, and dont even get me started on the 60 and 90 with there redisigned fan casing that cost 30 dollars more then the originals, that attach the front landing gear, which were made in the first place to break and reduce damage to the frames. Sorry for the rant, but I have aways owned a raptor since they come out for atleast 9 years or more. Hold on, ok had to turn my flame suit on

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04-09-2008 03:15 PM
 
 
aliensil
Senior Heliman
Location: Laredo Tx

As Ben T says, I think a new decal sheet design could be great...

Well, a stock metal yoke, removable bearing blocks for main mast, upgraded tail yoke, closed flybar cage and a pair of CF blades will be great, I used to fly a Caliber 5 too and it comes stock with CF blades and metal yoke with hard dampners for $260 US and flies as well as my Raptor do, so, why TT does not reduce his prices too.

Flying pigs 8,000 feet above Sea level
04-09-2008 11:59 PM
 
 
craigjag1612
Heliman
Location: Staunton, va

Carbon frame would be good.

Craig:
04-10-2008 12:51 AM
 
 
baby_zyklon
Key Veteran
Location: Singapore

Yes, gotta agree that each "new" release of the raptor kit is pushing both kit and part prices up with little significant changes. However, there are quite some OEM spares available like belt, spindle and main shaft, mostly the common spare parts and most of the time they cost half of what the TT spares cost. Still, I feel the price of the raptor needs to come down to compete.

As for the design, TBH, I think the R50 design isn't as outdated as many think, at least from the swash down. While the mechanical mix isn't as popular as the eccpm anymore and many say it sucks for 3D, I feel that is not the limiting factor in the raptor, far from it if you already have fast and strong servos. What the r50 needs most is a new head design that allows from +/-13 degree of pitch and +/-8.5 degree of cyclic w/o binding and yet at the same time, comes with a reduced flybar ratio, all out of the box. A tail rotor with thrust bearings and a slim design canopy(and for goodness sake, fix that canopy clip problem) will also be a great addition.
04-10-2008 01:11 AM
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RaptorMan23
Senior Heliman
Location: Sioux City, IA

eerie

Im kinda errie of the new "flybarless" systems, well see what happens

How high does it go? How fast does it go? Huh huh huh huh???!!!!
04-22-2008 05:57 AM
 
 
jal250r
Veteran
Location: Mankato, MN, US

I would like to see a head that goes past 10/-10 pitch. Go watch some vids of GOOD heli flyers with the head mod done. They can fly with the best of them. Without eccpm or carbon frames.

"Feed the Need to 3D"
04-23-2008 01:12 AM
 
 
AllThumbs
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

Has anyone noticed that if you Google new-design-raptor what you get??

New Decal Set
05-23-2008 09:37 AM
 
 
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