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Avant Aurora - EFX - FX > It's been released, finally the fun begins!
 
 
Duke998
Heliman
Location: Centre of the Universe

You've got to love this thread. Let's look at the history here. The Aurora will basically be an EFX with prog head and own drive train and tail rotor assy. So when you consider the rotor head, washout, swashplate, CCPM control system and the basic frames are existing designs, that leaves a tail rotor assy, clutch stack, main gears and fuel tank to design and make. When you look at the instructions on the CX forum that makes for around 20 new parts. Now considering that thing was supposed to launch at 3DM in 2006, that means it's taken 2 years to get these simple parts produced. Now in my opinion as an engineer, any company that takes so long to perfect such simple components must be verging on bankruptcy or incompetance, you decide!!
Oh and if we look closer, the gears are still only a Hirobo copy as the clutch a Raptor copy!!

My 2 cents for you all
04-03-2008 11:07 AM
 
 
fr8brkr
Senior Heliman
Location: Asheville,NC

I do appreciate all the warm wishes bestowed upon me here in the post. To my British Avro brother abroad -- NO, I have not "tried" an AVRO and I can assure you I wont be "trying" an Avro. What I have enjoyed most of all with the assorted opinions from those of you that are holding a grudge against the Aurora --- you all seem a bit obsessed with having to join in on a forum for which you claim the machine will likely never materialize and argue that it will be no better than most machines of its type. At least I am spending my time defending something for which the forum "Aurora" was intended. I would be glad however to chime into your favorite forums, Align 600,700, Avro, Synergy, ect. and play your roles .

Problems ? -- Mine are flown in fresh daily
04-03-2008 01:33 PM
 
 
Razz
Senior Heliman
Location: Louisville, KY

synodontis,
The Avro looks like a really well built heli, but for a 3D monster it's heavy and the parts are really expensive. Real Raptors qouted that there's weighed in at 5.3kg without fuel, that puts you at 11.7 lbs or 11 lbs. 11 oz! Model Helicopter World had a nice review, but again showed it's expensive and heavy. The heaviest Aurora I've seen was 10lbs. 4oz. with a mixture servo and carb smart, over a lb. lighter than the Avro. That weight makes a huge difference in 3d. Plus Robbe did that belt drive thing 10+ yrs. ago, it's just heavy and isn't efficient, cost's horsepower.

The Aurora is an extremely sound design, with low parts cost. The Avro looks like a really nice sport heli, but I don't think you'll see it competing in a hard 3D contest.

The only problem the Aurora has is getting released, which will happen in the future. All we can do is wait.

Brian

Spektrum DX7, Vibe 50, Aurora, OH Gosh-Trex 700
04-03-2008 01:42 PM
 
 
Duke998
Heliman
Location: Centre of the Universe

I'm neither for or against the Aurora. I find it hard for anyone to say it's the ultimate when only a handful of carefully picked expert pilots have every flown it for any length of time. I'm sure it will fly well, it should, the head is a know item, and if the weight and C of G are right the rest will fall into place.
I would be very worried about a company what seems to find it so difficult to produce a small number of items correctly when there are so many good equivalents to compare against.
I personally don't like the look of the Avro, the drive train is a perfect copy of the millenium, and the rest although beatifully made looks a little dated.
04-03-2008 01:54 PM
 
 
synodontis
Veteran
Location: United Kingdom

Razz,

I don't own an AVRO. But I will do in the future. The machine is only expensive because it's made in the UK, and for UK price the difference between it and the Aurora is only £100 or so. The exchange rate is not helping. And no, I don't have any vested interest in any helicopter's success. I'm telling you all that there are options. Also I do believe there will be Avros at the 3D masters this year.

Is weight that much of an issue? Look at Dominik's plastic Freya OP that won the 3D masters last year. I'm sure that's over 11 lbs.

fr8brkr,

You having any fun these days with all the waiting? And waiting . . and waiting . . you get the picture. I never argued that it will be no better than most machines of its type - although I have entertained the possibility that it could be so. There's the difference. You sound like someone who so brand loyal that no matter what reasons are thrown you'll argue it to the bitter end.

For myself, the weather looking good and I'll take my Sylphide for a few flights or so. I'm in love with the machine, just as much as you are in love with the Aurora which you cannot own at present.

I hope Augusto just gets his act together and release it when it will be released so you boys can play with your toys
04-03-2008 02:02 PM
 
 
fr8brkr
Senior Heliman
Location: Asheville,NC

Syno-
By your statement you dont own your dream machine the Avro, But yet you are comparing the two and suggesting that I am full of BS. I have flown the Aurora - have you?

Problems ? -- Mine are flown in fresh daily
04-03-2008 02:14 PM
 
 
rcnut
Senior Heliman
Location: Rockford, Illinois

fr8brkr

I can understand your desire to wait for the Aurora, I too am on the waiting list. But I am not going to wait forever, or "soon". There are plenty of "other" heli's out there to try. Waiting for the right one seems to be a wast of time (in the case of the Aurora).

So while your waiting, why not try a couple of other heli's? Improve your skills. So, how long are you going to wait before you start living?? A week or two, maybe a couple of days before it's your time to die?? Tomorrow isn't promised.

Live now, fly something new....today. Don't wait for tomorrow, or "soon". It may never come.

And not to rain on your parade, but just what if your quote:
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I also have more than good reason to believe it will be released in mid April.
comes and goes.....here it is May......then what? More excuses as to why no release?? A new hint of a "soon to be" release date?? Where does it all end??

"I love the smell of Nitro in the morning!"
04-03-2008 02:18 PM
 
 
fr8brkr
Senior Heliman
Location: Asheville,NC

RCNUT,
I spoke with Augusto last night and I am convinced that the kits will be on the market as suggested. You ask , "where does it end" it ends when its over.

Problems ? -- Mine are flown in fresh daily
04-03-2008 02:25 PM
 
 
synodontis
Veteran
Location: United Kingdom

hey fr8brkr,

I never said that the Avro is my dream machine. It's the Eagle 3 WC, but for hovering it's the Sylphide.

I don't care to fly the Aurora. To me it's just a mindless, aggressive response heli that you stick bangers want.

I hope all this waiting does end for you. If Augusto makes more excuses and delays further I would very much like to know how people like you are going to react to that.
04-03-2008 02:37 PM
 
 
fr8brkr
Senior Heliman
Location: Asheville,NC

Happy Hovering Syno

Problems ? -- Mine are flown in fresh daily
04-03-2008 02:43 PM
 
 
rchelichop
Senior Heliman
Location: Valencia

the aurora is basically the same heli as the already existing efx fx models. Nothing amazing new except a few itmes like Duke998 said. And they are all common items that every other manufacturer makes all the time like tail gears, metal tail box, main gears, booms ect ect. Its really funny because even loyal avant efx and fx customers who asked for a full kit from them are put out by this. And you know what you seem to be missing, is that we aren't really bashing how the Aurora flies in truth, but how the hobbyist community has been taken for fools time and time again. So you see, that is why I say when your on team aurora, your on the losing team because you backing up one of the biggest blundering companies this hobby has ever seen. I don't care how amazing the machine is, but it won't erase past actions.
04-03-2008 02:53 PM
 
 
fr8brkr
Senior Heliman
Location: Asheville,NC

RCHELICHOP,
Once again, you keep coming back to a forum for which all you do is complain - why waste your time in here ? What team are you on ? Let me spend some time in that forum.

Problems ? -- Mine are flown in fresh daily
04-03-2008 02:59 PM
 
 
rchelichop
Senior Heliman
Location: Valencia

I come here with facts and true statements and then you give a go away post. this is a free forum here, welcome.
04-03-2008 03:21 PM
 
 
fr8brkr
Senior Heliman
Location: Asheville,NC

Back again I see - hmmmmm, I think you harboring some latent hostility towards the Aurora, in time this will pass. For me, the beauty of it is, I have the time, patience, and desire to own one. And I cant think of a better forum to state my opinion of that.

Problems ? -- Mine are flown in fresh daily
04-03-2008 03:31 PM
 
 
rchelichop
Senior Heliman
Location: Valencia

and not once have I said you can't have your opinion.

congrats that you sense a latent hostitility, since my post time and time again basically explain why.

happy flying
04-03-2008 03:49 PM
 
 
Razz
Senior Heliman
Location: Louisville, KY

syno,
I'm really not brand loyal. Let's see, over the last 2 flying seasons, while I have been waiting for the Aurora I have owned in order...Avant EFX(big mistake selling it, thought the Aurora was soon to be released), Synergy N9, currently Stratus and a Extreme 50. The X50 is an awesome flyer, I thought I would never get back into 50's, but this is a keeper(it's very closely based on the Avant design). I just fly what I think feels best for me. I flew an Aurora at IRCHA, and yes it's the best in my book, for many reasons. It's a hybred of the Avant series, and it's an awesome package, performing better than my EFX, and that beat all of my other helis to this date.

This is a great hobby, and everyone has there reasons why they like one brand over another. Pilots will really enjoy the trouble free nature of the Aurora, along with it's solid design and quality. It reminds me of Hirobo all the way.

In the future, have fun with your Avro, I'll be enjoying my two Aurora's!

Brian



Spektrum DX7, Vibe 50, Aurora, OH Gosh-Trex 700
04-03-2008 03:51 PM
 
 
Nashville
Elite Veteran
Location: Music City USA

Two things:

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To me it's just a mindless, aggressive response heli that you stick bangers want.
Man, that is not very friendly. So anyone who doesn't prefer to hover for hours on end is "mindless"? Are you sure you are at the right web site?

2. fr8brkr, fess up. Are you paid by Augusto or just a relative?

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool
04-03-2008 03:54 PM
 
 
fr8brkr
Senior Heliman
Location: Asheville,NC

J.D. -
No, I am not on the payroll, nor any genetic link "that I'm aware of.
I am just a mindless stick banger looking to have the best stick banging machine to be had.

Problems ? -- Mine are flown in fresh daily
04-03-2008 04:29 PM
 
 
fiveoboy01
Veteran
Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

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I would be glad however to chime into your favorite forums, Align 600,700, Avro, Synergy, ect. and play your roles .

Problem is you can't, those helis are(or will be in the near future) available for purchase

Trex 450SA blinged, Trex 600N, DX7
04-03-2008 05:13 PM
 
 
fr8brkr
Senior Heliman
Location: Asheville,NC

Fiveoboy,
You amaze me with your well thought out response. I'm sure you gave this a great deal of thought. Again thanks for your positive input.

Problems ? -- Mine are flown in fresh daily
04-03-2008 05:21 PM
 
 
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