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Henseleit 3DNT - Rocket - 3DMP > Flybarless 3DMP XL
 
 
sookainian
Senior Heliman
Location: Singapore

Anyone tried this mod ? How is it compare to the flybar set up ?

http://www.henseleit-helicopters.de/pdf/V-Stabi.pdf

And can someone please translate it to english ? because i cant read germany.

Thank you so much !

Kenny
03-31-2008 07:41 PM
 
 
laughingstill
Key Veteran
Location: Gainesville, Fl, USA

Have not done the mod but you can copy and paste to Google translator to get it in English. Just go to Google and on the right side of the search screen you will see language tools.....Ron

3DMP-E, Logo 6003D, Logo103D Carbon and Trex 450se Flyin Firefighter
03-31-2008 08:38 PM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

That head looks AWESOME!

Just great....now I need to buy me one
03-31-2008 08:54 PM
 
 
sookainian
Senior Heliman
Location: Singapore

Ok thanks ! the google thing work great.

Btw, flybarless or flybar heli can 3D better ? which one give a better/faster tictoc rate ?
03-31-2008 09:39 PM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

flybarless blows away a flybarred heli!

Seeing how you fly you would benefit GREATLY by going flybarless....not only does the heli handle much better, the cyclics can be made to be twice as fast!

You also get up to 20% more power with flybarless.

watch this vid and you'll see what I mean..

http://vids.helistore.at/Logo600_3-2-08_Max.mov


VBAR is INSANE!
03-31-2008 09:46 PM
 
 
sookainian
Senior Heliman
Location: Singapore

Ok thanks for your quick reply, love u xD

can anyone recommend me some good Flybarless system ?

Currently i only know 3 different model VStabi, CSM and AC3X. What are the difference between this 3 ?

http://mikado.e-vendo.de
http://www.trextuning.com/csm-flybarless.php
http://www.eheli-tuning.de/ac3x.html
03-31-2008 09:55 PM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

most proven...

The most proven setup is the Mikado vbar...it's designed to be a "all in one solution" as opposed to the CSM being a patch work setup.

I don't know anything about the AC3x?
03-31-2008 10:01 PM
 
 
sookainian
Senior Heliman
Location: Singapore

I hope you all can help me on some of my questions regarding the Mikado Vbar system. Not that i'm lazy to research. But i have done some homework. But i'm still quite lost. As this is totally new for me still.

I notice Mikado Vbar system comes with a build-in rudder gyro. Do we have to use Vbar rudder gyro or can we use back our old rudder gyro ?

Also how is the Vbar rudder gyro compare to a GY611 ?

It quite important for me as i need contain prio-ing rate and good holding power.


WOW i'm totally impress. Logo 600 + Vbar. The respond is so fast. But i'm not sure how will the Vbar work on the 3DMP.
03-31-2008 10:08 PM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

Vbar

The tail gyro of the Vbar is as good if not BETTER than any gyros out there...like the spartan, gy611, solid g etc..

you can get rid of the gyro you are currently using and keep the tail servo...

read this and you'll understand the tail setup a little better...overall the vbar is an AWESOME system and works VERY well...

for the money it's a great system...

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/...?top=1206997947
03-31-2008 10:14 PM
 
 
sookainian
Senior Heliman
Location: Singapore

Is there any picture of a Vbar system on a 3DMP ?

As space is quite limited, i wonder how am i going to mount it ? hmm...

Can i also please have a picture of how people mount their Vbar system on another heli ?
03-31-2008 10:23 PM
 
 
laughingstill
Key Veteran
Location: Gainesville, Fl, USA

You are talking to the right guy! Jag is putting one together now!

3DMP-E, Logo 6003D, Logo103D Carbon and Trex 450se Flyin Firefighter
03-31-2008 10:24 PM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

pics...

I will post pics of the vbar install tomorrow
03-31-2008 10:28 PM
 
 
sookainian
Senior Heliman
Location: Singapore

Ok thank you very much.

Can you please take a picture of the Vbar system only with out it mounted on the heli.

At the mean time, i found something.

AC3X
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/...?highlight=AC3X

Gyrobot
http://www.lf-technik.de/shop/shop_...t/Aktuelle-NEWS

(Gyrobot and AC3X)
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/...?highlight=Vbar
03-31-2008 10:29 PM
 
 
bathmagic
Senior Heliman
Location: Berwick,Victoria, Australia

vbar

Wheres the pics Jag ??

Dale

3DMP , Vbar 600 "Innovation" The key to success !
03-31-2008 11:22 PM
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sookainian
Senior Heliman
Location: Singapore

I just went to my local hobby store to take a look at the Mikado Vbar system.

I notice they have 2 different kit. One is with the AirPresure system and the other is with out.

What's the difference and what is the AirPresure system for ?
04-01-2008 02:11 PM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

pics

No head mounted yet but the vbar system is installed

04-01-2008 02:15 PM
 
 
sookainian
Senior Heliman
Location: Singapore

How about the airpreasure thing ?
04-01-2008 02:24 PM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

vbar

The older version of the VBar used to have an Air pressure...but improvements to the system and algorithm changes have now eliminated the need for the Pressure sensor...

so it's now obsolete..

the newest version of the vbar should look like the one in my pics...it has a ribbon cable coming out of the sensor and has a USB style input.
04-01-2008 02:48 PM
 
 
hristo
Heliman
Location: netherlands

i know holco ordered a ac3x system to go in his new mp xl v 91.
cost a lot less and is only a tiny little square block , smaller than a gy401 and easier to program than the v stabi.
no additional accesoires neede like laptop .
i know he's been brainstorming quite a lot on this and went for the acro system

i wait till more people fly with it and then i might try it.
regards hristo
04-01-2008 03:17 PM
 
 
sookainian
Senior Heliman
Location: Singapore

May i know which website sell the old and new version V-bar ??

Tried doing a search but no luck. Still cant tell the difference between the old and new.

I dont wish to get the old stuffs =(
04-01-2008 07:34 PM
 
 
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