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Twin II
Heliman
Location: University Park, IL

Please tell me, is it just me or did everyone who ordered a turbine feel like they were doing something wrong ordering such a expensive machine. I actually felt like I committed a crime of some sort. I mean from the jump I was all excited to be getting one and ordering one but yet as soon as I got off the phone with Vario I felt like calling back and cancelling the order immediately. I mean I've spent thousands of dollars upon thousands of dollars on helicopters and never thought twice about it. Now all I had was a very strong feeling or sense of "what the F-uck did I just do," and although I can afford this and it doesn't effect me one way or the other, I felt this way. Come on it has to be somebody out there who felt this same way. Don't be embarassed tell us. That's what Turbine Anonymous is all about. WE NEED HELP!!! And as we all know, the first step into getting help is to admit we first have a problem. Now give or take we all have problems anyway spending all this money on toys however, you know what I mean. I need to know from some one who's been through this before. Tell me how long these symptoms should last or if I should seek some serious medical attention I mean I'm almost depressed and as weird as it sounds, the only thing keeping me afloat is the very thought of it arriving here soon. Don't get me wrong I still want the turbine, I just feel guilty about it as though I'm taking food from my childrens mouth although I'm not. I hate to be bringing this up and I hope the person I'm about to talk about doesn't get mad however, I'll say it anyway. I know this guy who was head-over-hills about buying a turbine and even went to the extent of selling all of his high-end helicopters to fund the project, but now it seems that although he accomplished his mission in selling all his heli equipment and has finally got the $5000.00 that he now can't bring his self to grips to even write out the check (we'll call that pre Turbine Anonymous). I think for a normal person you would have to literally not think about what your are doing in order to buy this kind of machine, because if you get to thinking you'll find every which reason of why you need that money for something else including maybe buying 3 nice high-end helicopters instead or 2 nice scale helicopters and still having a few dollars to treat yourself to Red Lobster afterwards. Anyway give me your thoughts. Maybe starting it up and smelling that jet fuel will bring things into perspective. By the way if your planing on getting a turbine I suggest you do it now as the price is about to go back up via March 30 12:00 midnight after that you'll really be depressed Come on guys be honest, lets hear those stories????? Or maybe I'm just crazy, either way let me know something.
03-30-2003 Over year old.
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ARES 151
Heliman
Location: Florida

Twin II,

For a real job, I am a psychologist. Here is some very expensive advice.........."get a grip on yourself". Now, I am running late to go flying with my new PST J600. This is four turbines now. It gets easier with time. WIll talk later.
03-30-2003 Over year old.
 
 
MMV
Heliman
Location: St-Sauveur, Quebec Canada

Simple answer to you'r dilemma....Think before you act !...next time.

But I know you will get over it ...as soon as your new toy arrives...

Enjoy Life is short.
03-30-2003 Over year old.
 
 
AGRAV8
rrProfessor
Location: Mosquito Coast......Houston Texas

YES, I FEEL THE LOVE

Deon: There can not be any doubt that I am that person you speak of in your post.......first, without any reservation, let me say this: I am NOT mad at you for bringing it up......you and I have had several conversations concerning heli's and you were also aware that I was in pursuit of the "Holy Grail" of R/C Helicopters. Yes, I sold off quite a fleet of machines, and have not had any stick time now for over a month. I have one machine ready to fly today. Depending on the winds, I might not even take that out and fly. A couple of other heli's are close to being ready, yet the sense of urgency and the drive I used to have about getting ready for Sunday has been lost. I really cannot find the reason why. Kinda like Austin Powers.....lost my "MOJO" I guess.

I have spoken to Rick about his machine. He does not seem to have buyers remorse about getting it. I knew that the timing was not right for me once I had the funds together. If anything, I think he will have sellers remorse. I wish him the best, as he has become a good friend.....and he is as welcome in my house as I am in his. I don't necessarily agree with him selling his stuff.......but I know the underlying reasons that drives this decision.

Deon, and others that wonder if their decision to buy one is right.......I have yet to see anyone that flies heli's that doesn't appreciate the sight, sound, and smell of these things winding up and whooshing away......if you want one, can swing the $$$$ to get one, AND THINK YOUR FLYING SKILLS ARE READY (this being an area that I have my reservation about) then pick up that phone, close your eyes, and GO GET IT. You won't be dissappointed.

For me, a couple of things (practical, not emotional) that I need to do before I jump: Get back to flying it like I stole it, and also getting my Ham license to alleviate the fears of having my machine destroyed because of some 9 year old kid that got a "firebird XL" for his birthday or some other unaware R/C'er that didn't pay attention. For the machines that were sacrificed in order to afford just one: alot of time and learning were used in them....and I will do all I can to insure that they will not be dishonored by a untimely flight and potential disaster that I felt I was not ready for.

With this said......I am contemplating purchasing a slightly used machine from a good friend. I know he would get more enjoyment from the money than a vendor would.

Dammit.......the winds have returned from their nightly slumber.....guess I better get busy on that raptor........
03-30-2003 Over year old.
 
 
daggit
Elite Veteran
Location: Waseca MN

WRONG PERSPECTIVE!!

Dude, you are looking at this from the wrong perspective...

Think of the people working to engineer and produce this product. They have families to support and depend on the sales of thier product to keep them in business.

Think of the other hobbiests who draw thier inspiration to do more in the hobby from people like you.

Think of the LIVES SAVED by people who made the decision to buy a heli instead of a DANGEROUS MOTORCYCLE or SNOWMOBILE because they were inspired by your heli

I'm tellin' ya... your doing a lot of people a FAVOR!

(you can justify just about anything if you talk to yourself right)

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03-30-2003 Over year old.
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Helijet
Heliman
Location: B.C. Canada

I read your post and initially thought it was a bit of a joke but after re reading it a couple of times you are right....purchasing a turbine heli for $6000 plus should NOT be taken lightly. Here are some points to ponder:

1) Do the research, spend some time and money traveling to events
and really looking into the technology.

2) Run the idea past the spouse and seriously consider whether you
can afford or justify such a large purchase.

3)Ask yourself why you are buying it. Is it to impress the local flying
buddys because if it is then at the end of the day you are still the
only one left with the bills and that excuse wears out pretty quick.

4)Is this truly just a hobby or are you making R/C helicopter flying a
major part of your life.

Unless you have an incredible amount of disposable income ( even then ...) you are going to have some post purchase remorse, guilt, second thoughts - whatever you want to call it. That is normal with any large purchase ( ie cars, electronics, boats etc....ever do the research thing before hand then do it again to afterwards just to be sure you " got the best deal " )

In my case - this is a dream that started in 1976 with my first Helibaby K&B .40 powered Kraft 4 channel controlled heli. I always dream't of the day that I could OWN and FLY my very own turbine powered Bell 206. I never did get my full size heli license and never did get a chance to own my own full size heli. BUT over the years I have had the good fortune of owning and flying my own Cobra, Bell 222, Bell 47, Lama, Vertol albeit in model form! Now 27 years later I am one step closer to realizing that dream....the mechanics, powerplant and electronics have evolved - now all thats left is the fuselage construction.
For me the reasons of owning a turbine heli are not because - it impresses the guys, makes me special, the only one on the block, its cool. No...its much more than that and I would have found a way to pay for it but on my terms...it still must be fun ( not stressful flying ), must be affordable ( can I pay the bills, feed the kids ), practical ( does it work as advertised - sound engineering etc ) and above all it must be something that I WILL ENJOY LONGTERM.

Yes...I could have bought a motorcycle, snowmobile, ATV, membership at an exclusive golf club, big screen plasma TV or Rolex watch BUT for the same money I invested in something I have been passionate about for many, many years and will for ... many to come!

Dean Wichmann
( turbine heli operator )
and proud of it!
03-30-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Twin II
Heliman
Location: University Park, IL

Daggit

So I'm looking at it from the wrong perspective huh? You know what maybe your right. I am helping all mankind keep safe and not to mention keeping mankind's dream alive afterall, what are we without are dreams. Every sucessful business who's become millionaires once at one point started with a dream. I'm feeling better all ready, I just help save the lives of millions
03-30-2003 Over year old.
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Twin II
Heliman
Location: University Park, IL

Gassersrule

Rick, if your out there we would love to here your perspective on "buyers remorse" as AGRAV8 doesn't seem to think you had any.
03-30-2003 Over year old.
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AGRAV8
rrProfessor
Location: Mosquito Coast......Houston Texas

I'm convinced

Deon, there is no doubt in my mind as to Ricks' position......he does not have buyers remorse. I'm sure he will tell his true feelings on this as soon as he gets a chance.
03-30-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Twin II
Heliman
Location: University Park, IL

AGRAV8

James, I'm not saying that he's getting rid of the turbine because he has buyers remorse, what I'm saying is that I'm pretty sure he had buyers remorse when he first purchased the turbine.
03-30-2003 Over year old.
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AGRAV8
rrProfessor
Location: Mosquito Coast......Houston Texas

NO

No, he never had buyers remorse.......BTW he is out flying it today......hope he is renewing his love for it. Don't want him to let it go myself......
03-30-2003 Over year old.
 
 
ARES 151
Heliman
Location: Florida

Feeling better?

Twin II,

I'm glad to hear you are feeling better. Sorry about the brief comment this am, but I was on my way flying. It is too bad the weather did not cooperate. Your feelings are not at all uncommon. The technical term is "cognitive dissonance", and many experience it with something like a major purchase.....I have myself experienced it on more than one occasion. Most get through it with a variety of defense mechanisms such as focusing on the positive versus the negative aspects. Passing of time is also one of the most potent healers. You have received some good advice above. I have been flying some type of model off and on since the early sixties and have always dreamed of "real" jet aircraft. I even had the excitement of a pulse jet at one time; however, it still wasn't right. Turbines changed everything. The equipment we have now gives many of us the ultimate experience in this hobby, and I have not met anyone into turbine jets, other than those who do not treat it with respect, that has any regrets. I wish you success and have fun.
03-31-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Maverick3n1
Senior Heliman
Location: San Diego, CA

I have a better idea.. give all your excess money to me so I can afford to buy a helicopter.. hehe you got turbines, I got nothin =P
03-31-2003 Over year old.
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Maverick3n1
Senior Heliman
Location: San Diego, CA

that's not selfish.. just asking to spread the wealth a bit =)
03-31-2003 Over year old.
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Twin II
Heliman
Location: University Park, IL

Gassersrule

Welcome back to turbine land Rick I knew you couldn't stray to long. "train up a child in the way it should go and when it gets lost, it will find its way home." Turbine 1:1

AGRAV8 It's time to come on home baby!!!

Maverick3n1, just in case you don't know, one of the best parts of having a turbine is that not everyone can afford one

You guys have to admit that being the only guy with a turbine at the flying field brings forth a sense of empowerment. I haven't flown one yet however, everytime I see one in action whether its in a picture or on a video link, every spectator there has cleared the flying field to watch it in action, including scalers. If that's not empowering, I don't know what is.
03-31-2003 Over year old.
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Maverick3n1
Senior Heliman
Location: San Diego, CA

Yeah but not many flying fields will allow them to fly... and I can't even afford a non-turbine heli let alone a turbine one.. I'd just like to be able to afford a decent regular chopper.. if I was gonna go turbine, I'd prob get a nice big F-14 Tomcat or something.. or better yet, I'd love to see a fully functional AV 8B Harrier... That would take one hell of a designer to get a scale fully functional one though... Considering what kind of work was put into it and the dynamics of it's cooling etc.. I doubt a scale one will come around...

Unless any of you out there has a good $15,000 to $20,000 to spend on parts to try and create one =P and if you do, I'd be interested to hear how if fly's and if you were able to get it to hover smoothly and without the engines overheating =)
03-31-2003 Over year old.
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melinau
Heliman
Location: Pembrokeshire, UK

If its any consolation to you guys in the USA this stuff costs around £6,000 UK (at $1.45 to the pound thats around $8,700!). This is a bit strange, as the VARIO kit is made in Germany, which is just a few miles away....

So you are extravagant, but not THAT extravagant as if you lived in the UK .
There is a slightly serious point here about consumption, it is hard to justify buying (say) a new car for ££000's (which could be said to be a necessity), but a TOY HELICOPTER??? Still I can't argue with you, if you've earned it its your right to spend it however you like.

Have fun!
04-01-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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