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Synergy R/C Synergy N9 > Synergy N9 SE
 
 
helirulz
Senior Heliman
Location: Singapore

gee...i thought having a plastic engine mount was a key innovation for reducing vibrations. Why have they swapped them out for metal ones on the SE?
03-29-2008 06:17 AM
 
 
ch-47c
Heliman
Location: san jose, ca

Vibration

The 2 stroke engines we use in RC helis rotate at such a high freq that it can't be anything but high freq. When I was a Chinook mechanic in the ARMY, we had high freq vibrations from such things as the engines, xsmns, drive shafts, pumps, generators, and any other high rotational speed mechanism. It was defined as 3 to 1 vib. They were detected by feel. You put your finger near an area suspected and if it felt like it was a numbing feeling, it was a high freq vibration. Usually bad Lord mounts or bearings. Low freq items were usually the rotor system which cause a wobble. Defined as a 1 to 1 vib. Or 1 shake per rotation of a shaft. Blade track could cause it. On real helis, that I'm familiar with, have a slower rotor RPM than RC helis. In the low to mid 200 RPMs. If you were anywhere near 300 RPMs, your blades and drive shafts will distort permanently and blade tips will be near supersonic, where you have aerodynamic problems. While flying, you shook in the troop seat with bad 1 to 1 vib. That is why helicopter pilots and flying mechs have a high incidents of hemmoroids. Newer Chinooks, I hear from old buddies still doin it, say it is less noticeable.
If something has a high freq vib, and it is hard mounted, it will transmit thru any hard mounted item attached to it. The main problem is wear and cracks.
The original Synergy motor mount design would have better vibration isolation characteristics, than the newer aluminum design as it would absorb more vibs that aluminum. But neither material is great, like hard rubber, but I feel the older is the better, IMHO.
03-29-2008 06:46 AM
 
 
STUPINEER
Senior Heliman
Location: allen tx

so the big question is when is it comming out and what is the cost going to be? correct?

gravity is king
03-29-2008 06:23 PM
 
 
QuickSilver
Veteran
Location: Cherry Hill, New Jersey

Synergy N5

Did Matt mention anything about the Synergy 50?

Kyle

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.
04-07-2008 05:14 AM
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RPM 1.5
Veteran
Location: Cape May New Jersey

QuickSilver= Mr M/A Guy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE HE HE HE HE
Ray
04-07-2008 12:42 PM
 
 
timvan
Senior Heliman
Location: N. Atlanta Ga

Either Matt doesnt know or is not allowed to talk about release dates...I asked him about the se parts last Thursday and he had no idea of when they will be out

Professional Air Hog Pilot
04-07-2008 12:46 PM
 
 
Long Nguyen K.
Senior Heliman
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam

Just saw that the new pinch style fan hub is now available at www.synergyrc.com

Long Nguyen
Heading back to my country! Gonna have my SHAVERS cut rice!
04-10-2008 11:33 PM
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Futura SE
Senior Heliman
Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas

Who cares. The Hyperhub has been out for years. Put the new tail hub out!!!!!!
04-11-2008 01:01 AM
 
 
Awamori
Senior Heliman
Location: Now Osan, Korea October back to Kadena, Japan

^^^^^ What he said!
04-13-2008 01:41 PM
 
 
helidoc2
Senior Heliman
Location: so.cal

Hey Ch-47c....I to was a Chinook Mechanic in the Army many moons ago..
Im still a Helicopter mechanic for a living...but i must comment if the heli`s shakin that bad...somebody is not takin the time to smooth it out...to many computerised track and balance equip. to have a heli shaking..or high freq vibes in airframe...i would ground it in a minute...
just 2 cents..
i did see a guy at the field fly his MA...and saw his muffler crack...asked him did he balance the fan..he looked like i was speaking a foreign language...
04-13-2008 06:22 PM
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oysifly
Senior Heliman
Location: Bentonville, AR

I also think the tail hub should be out right now myself.

Edited: Didn't mean to stir anyone up. Just want the tail hub.


As far as the Heli it is the best heli I have. Flys just like the sim with NO bad habits. The only issue I have is the uneasy feeling that my tail will let go at any time. I would like to see the new tail out soon so this worry will be gone.

Quick...here comes my wife....hide that new Heli !!!!
04-13-2008 07:12 PM
 
 
Doug L
Veteran
Location: Minnesota

Todd isn't the person who decides when the parts are released. If you think it's Todd's intention to have people flying sub par equipment you don't know Todd at all.

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04-13-2008 07:34 PM
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ch-47c
Heliman
Location: san jose, ca

Vibration

Helidoc you are right. If we had high freq vibes we had to isolate where and take care of it. For instance if it was in the roof area, maybe Lord mounts in the drive shaft tunnel or if in the upper rear area above ramp control handle and hydralic lines or the opposite side it could be engine or accessory lines, nose gearbox, drive shaft, etc. Low freq vibes were usually blade track, which we took care of as best as the Chadwick strobe could get it. Blade weights weren't matched anything like our composite blades, but I had a very smooth CH-47 Super C. Never flag and poled our blades, because maintenance officer didn't like us on a work ramp trying to flag the tips.
But the fact then remained only so much vibration could be taken out and was acceptable. Sometimes a smooth Chinook would start shaking like a bad 1 to 1 vibe when collective pitch was pulled after slack was taken out of the slings. You lived with it. Hemerroids really were a common complaint.
My buddy retired after 20 years in Chinooks and is a tech rep. He says Chinooks are so much smoother and reliable today than when I was in them. My dad worked on early helis and they had wooden blades. Some vibration was more acceptable then.
04-13-2008 08:39 PM
 
 
bkervaski
Key Veteran
Location: Birmingham, AL, USA

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I also think the tail hub should be out right now myself.

Todd is holding out for the simple reason he is selling more repair parts and generating income. Many have already sold the Synergy due to the problem not being fixed. One would think Todd would want to get this fix out soooooooon aaaaassssssss possible for the sake of the reputation this maching is getting.


From what magical fictional world do you base these facts? There's no truth in any of it. There's no mass amount of people jumping ship and selling their N9's, no more activity in the classifieds than any other 90. It's been the same for every high end performance heli, there are issues that need to be worked out. It's not the same as a 50, there's much more weight to deal with mechanically and many fewer customers in that price range so of course it will take longer than a mainstream sub-$1500 heli. They did more than adequate testing -- I witnessed a lot of it first hand at fun flys and in 3D school. Todd wouldn't do anything remotely like you're suggesting. Pure fiction and extremely rude to make such libelous comments. Not to mention that Todd Bennett and Matt Botos are outstanding, top-notch guys that will bend over backward to help you.

... will work for fuel ... Bill
04-13-2008 09:04 PM
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helidoc2
Senior Heliman
Location: so.cal

I saw matt at vegas...didn`t know who he was, but i had to comment on his synergy...that was the fastest heli..i believe i have seen, flying the flybarless rotor head..had to walk up to him and thank him for flying something different then just 3d, was impressive to see the heli fly that fast.
04-13-2008 09:24 PM
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timvan
Senior Heliman
Location: N. Atlanta Ga

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saw matt at vegas...didn`t know who he was, but i had to comment on his synergy...that was the fastest heli..i believe i have seen, flying the flybarless rotor head..had to walk up to him and thank him for flying something different then just 3d, was impressive to see the heli fly that fast.

Matt is one great guy, he flies at our feild on a daily basis and is one of the first people there to help out if you need a hand. He helped setup my N9, took a good hour and 20 min to get it all perfect and look it over..then he flew the p!ss out of it....

Mind you this is all interupting his practice for his next upcoming contest.

Thanks again Matt!

Professional Air Hog Pilot
04-13-2008 10:33 PM
 
 
SynergyRC
Heliman
Location: California

If you go to Matt Botos' site it looks like he just posted some pics of his N9SE Flybarless machine. Looks great! The N9SE flybar version looks just as cool but these pics are definitely cutting edge.

Team Synergy
04-15-2008 04:11 AM
 
 
Gero Adrian
Heliman
Location: Stuttgart, Germany

Hi,

release it!!

Best regards

Gero
04-15-2008 10:28 AM
 
 
Skyline
Senior Heliman
Location: Los Angeles, California

I am liking what I am seeing just from the pics of the SE on Matt's site. Love the new silver cnc blings...not just blings, but cutting edge blings!

The N9SE is looking to be more promising than the Aurora. I am in the market for a new 90 and currently waiting for a new heli to be released, and now I am leaning more towards the N9. The Aurora is losing its appeal and wont be cutting edge when its released. Now, this SE is cutting edge! Release it so I can buy a new heli!
04-15-2008 02:53 PM
 
 
bkervaski
Key Veteran
Location: Birmingham, AL, USA

I'm assuming the final parts will be black to match the rest of our kits?

... will work for fuel ... Bill
04-15-2008 03:01 PM
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