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TJinGuy
Elite Veteran
Location: Socorro, NM - USA

Did you put in some sim time before hand or did you go straight for the pinch? I keep thinking that I am new enough to this, that if I want to pinch I should start now but I am really bad at it. Words of wisdom?

- Chris

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04-27-2008 06:12 AM

Gregor99
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Wa

I was hoping to get more sim time before trying for real, but ended up with only about 15 minutes. I woke up this morning, the sun was out, no wind. Hmm, more sim time or get outside? What are you going to do? I thought I'd try it and if it wasn't comfortable, I'd switch back to thumbs and do more sim work later. The first flight turned out better than I expected. It was still quite strange feeling but I was able to keep it from crashing.

As for words of wisdom, after the first day, I can't speak from too much experience. From my research thumbs are fine for most flying. Though many 3d pilots pinch, its possible to do it with thumbs. So if the thumbs are working for you, ask yourself if you really need to switch. Its not exactly like starting over. But it still takes some re-learning.

I did it because I wasn't getting enough detailed control from my thumbs. It's not hurting my flying now, but I'm already wishing for a better connection to the sticks. So I figured since I'm heavy in the learning stage, why not do it now, instead of waiting until it's a limiting factor. By that time, the last thing I'll want to do is camp out in the garage, hovering over my RADD boxes.

I now wish I had waited until the neck strap arrived. Its awkward and uncomfortbale to hold the Tx and try to pitch at the same time. Plus, it's really distracting trying to learn to pinch while contemplating what that heli would do if you dropped the Tx.

The will to succeed is nothing without the will to prepare.

04-27-2008 06:50 AM

tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

I tried pinching one time I have huge hands and huge feet you know what I mean?

Seriously though with my thumb and index finger I had less control I could only get the sticks to move half the distance of thumbs and I could not activate T/hold or idleup. Also I have double jointed thumbs I can wrap my thumbs around either side of my hand great for getting out of handcuffs.

So in short I salute you greggor for pinching thats tough as hell but I think your physical attributes can also be a determining factor for pinching.

Big dumb clumsy hands = No pinching and maybe no 3D. (OH WELL)

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.

04-27-2008 04:47 PM

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Gregor99
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Wa

WOW Tryan. That's very impressive thumb flexiblity. I can't get close that, which might explain why I'm feeling a little disconnected with thumbs alone. You are correct, what works for one set of hands isn't going to work as well for another. This is why pinching is not always better. It really depends on the pilots hands, and flexibility. So as proud as I am to have taken on another challenge, its a personal sucess and not something everyone should aspire to.

I really noticed the "dead spot" in the center when change I the cyclic from 15% expo to zero. I starting having a hard time feeling the center.

As for thumbs limiting 3d, no chance. Check out this Jason Bell video with the "thumb cam". Sorry, you need to login to HF first.
http://video.helifreak.com/?subpath...ell450stick.wmv

The will to succeed is nothing without the will to prepare.

04-27-2008 07:29 PM

fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

I tried "pinching"....It felt REALLY weird.....I guess thats from years of growing up playing super nintendo...yes thats right SUPER NINTENDO...and SEGA...old skool

......its just very natural for me to use thumbs.......I too was concerned about the 3D thing...but have seen MANY great pilots using thumbs...so it seems whatever works for you is the way to go.......on another note......I'm at work and its windy(AGAIN for the 10th day in a row

)...so no flying...but its test and tune day(I have 4 huge bays to fly in) and BOTH helis will be 100% when I leave here....so soon as the weather allows......its time to fly

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04-27-2008 07:53 PM

ut_neon
Key Veteran
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

only 1 pack and was only for 4 or 5 minutos. i'm ill and i was feeling too tired so i landed. but the weather is awesome. i hope it continues this way

Cellpro Revolution 4S Charger is the best Charger in the World!!! =D ahah

04-27-2008 08:00 PM

Sgt Heli
Veteran
Location: Remlap, Al USA

One year for Christmas my brothers and I got PONG! First home video game no S^%$. We played that thing for endless hours batting the dot back and forth to each other. After we got tired we would watch DOT the cartoon. I thought that was boring then but nothing else to watch I guess. Yes, its true, we only had 3 channels.

04-27-2008 08:01 PM

fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

hey...we had PONG

......you could also play SOCCER(2 paddles)...or hockey....(4 paddles).......then we got big time....ATARI2600

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04-27-2008 08:37 PM

ut_neon
Key Veteran
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

i'm younger than all of you i think. i have 21 and the first console video game i had was sonic on mega drive

Cellpro Revolution 4S Charger is the best Charger in the World!!! =D ahah

04-27-2008 08:43 PM

tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

I still have my working sega genesis. I still play baseball on it occasionally, Mark McGuire is playing for the athletics. I didnt have pong cause my parents the year or so before it was released got me the atari stunt cycle game no cartridges for my 5th birthday you just flipped one of a bunch of switches to select between games. I wonder where my love for motorcycles came from?

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.

04-27-2008 08:58 PM

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Sgt Heli
Veteran
Location: Remlap, Al USA

Hmmm, I wonder if the other two guys that bought that still have their Genesys systems too.

Better than the Sega Saturn though.

Now that Super Nintendo, that was a KA game system.

I have played Halo1 and 2 on the Xbox. Guess I need a X360 so I can continue the saga.

04-27-2008 10:29 PM

tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

SGT heli Im a little upset with the sega genesis comment I have upgraded since then.

I now have a sega dreamcast that I play it even has a built in 56K modem for surfing the internet. Beat that you kids and your video games.

Do they make a rc flight sim for sega dreamcast?

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.

04-27-2008 11:25 PM

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TJinGuy
Elite Veteran
Location: Socorro, NM - USA

Yeah I have been playing Final Fantasy 12 on PS2 all day. When the helis are down, the fingers must still play.

- Chris

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04-28-2008 01:04 AM

shizack
Veteran
Location: Augusta, GA USA

About the only video game I play anymore is Clearview.

Had a buddy back in the day who had pong and I thought it was the coolest thing ever.

Soon after, about the same time Atari 2600 was popular we got an Odyssey2 game system from the Magnavox store. Now that was an awesome system in its time, except for the hard-wired controllers. It even had a big-aZZ add-on module that you could type words into for speech synthesis. You can imagine what a 13-year old proto-geek was making his TV say when mom and dad weren't around...

Then came the Atari 7800 with the real-deal arcade graphics. Next was the PC revolution, and it was all over then.

Radio Shack Tandy 1000 with a 1200 baud modem that you sat the leased telephone handset on to access BBS's for a buck a minute.

Pumping your fist and yelling, "COME ON!!!" does not increase battery charge rate.

04-28-2008 01:39 AM

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TJinGuy
Elite Veteran
Location: Socorro, NM - USA

I had an Odyssey2 for a while. I can't remember how I got it or even what games I had on it but I did own one for a while.

- Chris

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04-28-2008 01:47 AM

Sgt Heli
Veteran
Location: Remlap, Al USA

I had an intellevision w/football game! Then a Commodore 64 w/ a floppy drive!!!
About a week after we got the floppy drive I touched it with a static charge from walking across the carpet. YEP, you guessed it, fried the living daylights out it. But not before loading Q-Bert!

04-28-2008 01:56 AM

Gregor99
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Wa

More work with pinching today. I started early and finished late, all in the garage. I also started logging my flights. Not sure how long I'll keep at it. Stats from today, 18 packs total, total time 114.5 minutes, average of 6.36 minutes per flight. Wow, almost 2 hours in the air, I can feel good about that all week.

I started the day working on the sides. First the weak side, then the stronger side. On battery 14 I started toying with the Toolman piro. This is the slow controlled piro approximately 7 to 9 seconds per rotation. By the end of the battery 15, I was doing it. Not very well, and using up most of the garage, but I was doing it. The last 3 batteries were all spent slowing spinning. With granual improvements in each battery, I was using less of the garage and staying closer to the center RADD box. After 6.35 minutes of this mind bending orientation workout, my brain was fried. Takes me back to the early hovering days. Take a break and do it again. Can't wait to try it again.

On a sad note, the 11t pinion has finally taken its toll on one my of my beloved FMA 1350s. When I finished battery #14, I pulled it out and noticed one side had a little air gap between the covering and the cell inside. Yup, its a bit puffy. Its not bad now, but batteries usually don't improve once the puffying starts. I charged it to 70% at 1c and the puffing didn't get any worse. It'll spend the night quarentened in its own ammo can, which will be stuffed inside the old BBQ.

The will to succeed is nothing without the will to prepare.

04-28-2008 06:39 AM

toolman18
Key Veteran
Location: Portland, Texas

Greg,
Glad to hear you putting in the dedication. I have never done that many packs in a day. Most i ever did was 8 packs a day. Probably because i didnt have enough batteries to do it. I find it harder to go left What about you? I can do both fine but left takes more concentration. If you start adding a bit of ff to those piros youre making youll be making circles in ff. It gets really fun from this point.
Brad

We need video proof around here.

04-28-2008 02:40 PM

ut_neon
Key Veteran
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

i did fly today and crashed because one of my pitch control ball links jumped off in the middle of the flight. i lost it and i need a new ball link

i posted a thread

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t427917p1/

i would appreciate if you help me telling me some compatible ball links to use with the aluminium esky cnc swashplate.

Cellpro Revolution 4S Charger is the best Charger in the World!!! =D ahah

04-28-2008 08:10 PM

Gregor99
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Wa

Brad,

It was an unusual day and I rarely get to fly that much. I only have 3 packs and the Cellpro 4s was running non-stop, except for a break mid day while we hosted a party.

I wasn't expecting to make a full rotation, just working on the sides and the transitions. After working on the sides for a while, I started the transitions. First 1/4 turn at a time, tail in to nose right. Then tail in to nose left. Then nose left to nose-in and so on. After that I did 1/2 a rotation. Tail-in to nose-in. Pause and then back. Then, one time I didn't stop when the nose came around and went the full way. During the practice I was doing both directions. But once I started the constant piro, it was all clock-wise. Next chance I get to fly. I'll try it CCW.

During the rotations, there were a number of times when I wasn't holding it perfectly over the RADD box and ended up making a bunch of small circles, about 4ft in diameter. It wasn't on purpose, but once the circle started, I felt in control. In fact the small circles seemed a little easier than holding the heli in one place. I drove it around 1 or 2 rotations then returned to the RADD box. This is something I never expected to be able to do in a garage.

I know this doesn't seem like as big of an achievement as nose-in. However, I am absolutely psyc'd and couldn't get to sleep until after mid-night. Nose-in was more of a relief, after all the time I had put into it, the biggest hurdle was finally over. The slow piro came much sooner than I expected and though I've practiced on the sim, by the end of the night I was doing it better in real-life than I had been able to with the sim.

Neon, put this in the RR search engine.
esky swash ball replacement

The will to succeed is nothing without the will to prepare.

04-28-2008 08:42 PM

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