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Aerial Photography and Video > Logo 10 gets a front-mount
 
 
Hogster
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, UK

Hi all

Having seen the number of people use front-mounts on their helis, I knew it was something I would eventually want to do with my Logo ...

Just as a refresher, this is how it was originally:


(click to enlarge)

I spent quite a while thinking up different ideas (remember, 99% think, 1% do!), and without having any CAD software to hand, sketched down my ideas on paper. To help me visualise how the final idea would look, I took a photo of the side of the heli against a white background, and printed it very faintly on paper. This gave me a basis to draw on as you can see here:





That first idea would have put too much stress on the shocks .... so, on to plan B:








This looked much more promising, so with dimensions in hand, I went to my Dad's garage and started sourcing the materials - it's such a help having everything to hand Several hours of cutting and filing produced these:


(I hadn't build the part in the last drawing at this stage)

The two pieces at the top are the main supporting arms, the next two long parts are for the battery tray, the two with rounded ends provide the pivot point for the main supporting arms, and the last two are to support one end of the shocks. All cut by hand! No CNC here The two small round things are thrust bearings which theoretically would give me near-zero friction on the pivot point for the mount ... sadly I neglected to allow for the friction caused between the screw head against the side of the supporting arm ... ah well! Still works ok ... just not as super-free as I hoped! The last drawing shows the joining piece which holds the two supporting arms together.

I didn't take any construction shots, so the next photos show the finished result. Basically just drilling the mounting holes, lightening holes, spraying the parts with satin black paint and screwing them all together












The camera cradle is separated from the supporting plate with a thick foam rubber pad which helps absorb vibration and also stops the camera mount from rotating horizontally.


The battery tray is surprisingly rigid! It's supported on four aluminium tubes which have lengths of M3 studding running through them. I have hot-glued the ends of two lengths of velcro to one side of the tray - to clamp the battery in place you simply insert it, pull the velcro over it and push it onto itself


Overall I'm exceptionally pleased with the mount! The shocks have variable spring-tension and hence allow the mount to support different weight cameras. In the photos above the cradle is holding my Powershot A620, but I've also test-flown the heli with my family's Panasonic NV-GS500 camcorder:



And it can support the weight just fine!

http://www.vimeo.com/784240

The beauty of the battery tray is that you can just slide the battery forward/backward depending on the weight you've got in the camera mount. With the GS500, the flight pack needs to be as far back as possible, and with the A620, as far forward as possible. The velcro allows the battery position to be changed very easily.

Improvements to be made? Well there's a bit of slop in the gears on the camera cradle at the moment which allows the cradle to rock as the helicopter flies .... I think the only way to get around this would be to use a pulley and belt system .... That or go direct-drive with the servo output directly moving the cradle. There's also a very small vibration still present, although it's considerably better than it was! I doubt it will affect photos at all, but it might manifest itself in videos ...

Also, only time will tell whether I'll miss the bright orange canopy to help with orientation at high altitude ..... still, without a canopy the motor stays a lot cooler

Oh, and I feel the foam skids and supporting legs look rather disproportionate now so I'm considering shortening them ...

Other than that, it's worked out exactly as I'd planned, and I look forward to doing more test flights with it!

Cheers for now,


David
03-15-2008 12:53 AM
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rroback
Key Veteran
Location: Irvine (UCI), Ca

Great! Why is the camera sticking so far out the front? Also.. do you have something keeping the l brackets on the battery apart? using velcro might stress the frame a lot. lookin pretty good.

Rhett... There's no power like E Power!
03-15-2008 01:07 AM
 
 
trackhead
Key Veteran
Location: utah

Simple and clean. Now you need to get rid of the Askman landing gear. No reason to haul that extra weight around if it's not being utilized.
03-15-2008 01:22 AM
 
 
Hogster
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, UK

It does looks a bit funny doesn't it When the camcorder is mounted, there's a lot less space:



Although I must admit it's probably a little too long even then ...

Hmm no the battery tray sides are separate. Good point about the stress ... hmmm might do something about that.

Cheers


David
03-15-2008 01:22 AM
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Hogster
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, UK

Thanks track I was certainly thinking of shortening it (reducing its height) and making the skids shorter ... I can't get rid of it altogether as the mount and battery tray are both built around/on it


David
03-15-2008 01:23 AM
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eyeinsky
Senior Heliman
Location: Fall River, Nova Scotia, Canada

David

It looks good. If could make some suggestion drop the gear height down you won’t need it. With the lower gear you have less chance of the machine going over when you do that less than perfect force landing on the rough ground.

With the electric machine vibration should be very low but if you can get them. These isolator they work great on my nitro machine.

https://sdp-si.com/eStore/PartDetai...202&GroupID=524



Hard job competing with gravity.
03-15-2008 01:33 AM
 
 
Hogster
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, UK

Well after some time pondering, I decided to go ahead and shorten the legs - it looks SO much better now!



Hopefully that will have removed a likely source of oscillation (the long unsupported undercarriage legs and the long skids), whilst decreasing weight, and decreasing drag

Will see how it flies tomorrow and maybe get my brother to take some shots of it in-flight

Until then,

Cheers!


David
03-15-2008 04:27 AM
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AZ ChopperCam
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Location: Arizona

looking very nice David. Once you get it tuned and adjusted you'll love it and wonder why you never went front mount long before you did!

Can't wait to hear how you like it.

My only suggestion would be to maybe drop the height of the gear another 30-45mm or so. You want to take full advantage of being able to come in with forward or side velocity in the event of an auto.

Of course... if you fly from tall grass then your height is probably just about right. We have no tall grass out here in the desert
03-15-2008 02:39 PM
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Badllarma
Senior Heliman
Location: North West UK

That's a really nice job there David I was thinking of having one on my Raptor 50 (in fact been in touch with a couple of place to buy one) but no one got back in touch so may have ago at building one myself I've already have the head from servo city so it's mainly a task of fabricating the frame that holds it.
03-15-2008 04:12 PM
 
 
Hogster
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, UK

Thanks guys

I've just done some more flying in the garden and BOY is it smooth now!! It feels much smoother to fly, and it's much easier to fly precisely too! Why didn't I do this earlier!

Here're some more photos:











Regarding the gear height, I think that's about as low as I'd want to take it ... I've already found that I have to be more careful when landing because of the proximity of the tail rotor to the ground - something I didn't have to worry about before ...

Andy - Hmm who have you been in touch with regarding the mounts? I guess in the end it depends on how much time you want to put into it, and whether you have the bits you need to do it yourself ... ultimately much more rewarding making it yourself though


David
03-15-2008 04:34 PM
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Badllarma
Senior Heliman
Location: North West UK

Askman, no reply.................? In fact I'm a little worried as I've ordered a mount for my SS from them and apart from taking the money heard nothing from them at all

And I emailed someone who I was told made the mounts themselves for the Raptors (from these forums) I not mentioning names but I know there busy running there own AP business without pratting about with a frame for me (some images of there mount would be a good start though) so that was just a speculative email via there web site.

I'll looking to having ago myself now to be honest as there is a couple of things I want on it so it may be better doing it that way regardless. I've made train doors for Hong Kong railways, roof racks and sun roofs for Landrover (at previous employment) so I think I may be up to the task
03-15-2008 04:59 PM
 
 
iflybyu77
Veteran
Location: Fort Wayne, IN

Andre (Askman) will get back with you. He had been sick and is quite behind apparently. You'll get what you ordered.
03-15-2008 08:13 PM
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Badllarma
Senior Heliman
Location: North West UK

thats good to know iflybyu77 let's hope he's well again soon
03-15-2008 10:59 PM
 
 
rerazor
Elite Veteran
Location: Mich.

Looks good.

Whats your AUW? How much weight did you save vs. the old setup?
03-16-2008 01:54 AM
 
 
dreslism
Veteran
Location: Rochester Hills, MI

David,

For keeping your tail clear of the ground, try this. It's cheap and works great.

Get a golf "whiffle" ball (a plastic golf ball with the holes in it for practicing with.) You can even get them already molded in orange.

Cut a slit in it between 2 holes, and slide your vertical fin into the slit you cut. Run a ziptie through one of the holes in the ball, then through your fin to keep the ball from sliding around or coming off.

It is light, cheap, will keep your tail fin from digging into the ground, which will prevent your tail rotor from hitting the ground, and if you get the orange ones, provides great visibility in the air.

You can get a package of 6 at a sporting goods store for a couple of bucks.

--Scott
GreatLakesAP.com
03-16-2008 04:52 AM
 
 
Hogster
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, UK

Neat idea Scott!!

Will have a scrounge around for one of those next time I'm in town

Thanks!


David
03-16-2008 03:30 PM
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wjw
Senior Heliman
Location: Cape Coral, Florida usa

That is nice!!
It has taken me more than a year of constant adjustments to get smooth video and even then it is not consistant. You have done a better job in what seems to be less than half the time.
03-16-2008 04:20 PM
 
 
Hogster
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, UK

Scott - Just picked up some orange ping-pong balls - should work well!



Thanks for the idea!

wjw - Thanks mate!


David
03-17-2008 12:28 PM
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dreslism
Veteran
Location: Rochester Hills, MI

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Scott - Just picked up some orange ping-pong balls - should work well!

Cool. That has to be even lighter than the golf ball, which can make a difference on a smaller heli like the logo 10 for balancing it out, although with your sliding pack it is very simple to balance.

--Scott
GreatLakesAP.com
03-17-2008 02:01 PM
 
 
Hogster
Key Veteran
Location: Surrey, UK

Mmmm. Well it's mainly to cover the sharp tip of the tail fin and stop it sticking in the ground.

Btw, regarding putting balls on one's helicopter, I'm starting with a small one for the moment


David
03-17-2008 04:09 PM
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