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e-E-Sky Honey Bee- Lama- Belt CP- E-Smart > anyone running a 11T pinion on belt cp or hbk2? should i use as well?
 
 
ut_neon
Key Veteran
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

anyone running a 11T pinion on belt cp or hbk2? should i use as well?
03-11-2008 03:29 AM
 
 
Gregor99
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Wa

Ya, I just moved from a 9t to an 11t. Skipped the 10t and went up 2 teeth. I had run the 10t before and dropped down to 9t to help address my blade tracking and head vibration issues. If you have any balance, or tracking issues, higher headspeed just makes it worse. A lower headspeed can mask these issues, or help them depending on how you want to look at it

When I went from the 10t to 9t, it helped reduce the tracking and vibration issues quite a lot. But I don't like the feel of the slower headspeed. More bobbing up and down, plus the heli isn't quite as responsive to my inputs. Made me feel less connected to the heli. Now with most of my tracking and balance issues under control, I wanted go a back to the 10t. I had an 11t on hand and had been wondering what it would be like. I thought about for a couple days, then in a moment that I can only discribe as "channeling Fender" I threw on the 11t and took it out for a flight.

My first re-action.....WOW....lots more control, more connected and punchouts were serious, no bogging. The heli went exactly where I put it, tended to stay in one place much better in a hover and didn't wonder. Take a look at my hover challenge, that was with the 11t. I couldn't have done that with a 9t. I'm not that good.

Outside, the added headspeed makes it more resistant to wind and the feel of "being connected" just keeps getting better.

Its not all good though. The higher head speed brought out my tracking issues and a nasty vibration. So much so that the gyro was starting to re-act badly and most of the heli was only visible as a blur..... not good. This was with the half plastic head. I didn't really want to put the rest of the metal head on until after I was done with nose-in. By then, I had fallen in love with the 11t and didn't want to back to the 9t or even the 10t. I figured it'd also be good to get rid of all my balance issue now than mask them with a lower headspeed. I ended up putting the rest of the CNC head on and that completely solved my vibration issues. There's still a little bit of tracking issue, but I'm running the woodies and its managable.

The other problem is the drain on the power system. I have the 3800 so its going to pull more amps than the 3100 or the 3900. With the 11t, I've lost about a minute of run time, and the battery is warm at the end of the 7 minutes. But its worth it to me. The heli now feels much more like the heli's I practice with in the SIM and more like I imagine how a Trex must fly. It hovers almost hands off and does everything I ask it to without adding its own random moves.

I don't think I'd recommend it to everyone. If you were still in the over-correcting mode, it'd be too much. Plus there is question as to how much headspeed the woodies and plastic head can take. There is no diffinite answer. As a precaution, I glued the plastic part on the blades to the rest of the blade. Something I picked up while browsing around. Its supposed to help keep the blades from coming out of the grips. Also if you have ANY tracking or balance issues now it'll only get worse with an increase in headspeed.

The other negative side effect was on the tail. The added headspeed does give the tail more authority but it also brought out a nasty bounce that only occurs after an abrupt stop from a CCW piro. The bounce is so bad at times that it causes the tail to wag back and fourth 3 or 4 times about 10 degrees. Disturbing to say the least. The first time it happened was in the garage and I almost didn't get away with it. I've brought my gyro gain down from 70% to 50% which seemed to be the only way to address it while I search for the root cause. Even at 50% the tail still holds pretty well which it never would have done with the 9t.
03-11-2008 04:52 AM
 
 
ut_neon
Key Veteran
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

thanks for the reply gregor. i guess i will give it a try with the 11T pinion after all
03-11-2008 03:35 PM
 
 
Gregor99
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Wa

Glad to help. Some final words of advice. My batteries are rated at 15c. It wasn't until I went to the 11t that I started thinking that might not be enough. Not that the batteries can't do it. But that getting quite warm at the end of the run.

I'm not sure what batteries you are running, but if its one of the 10c Esky packs, the 11t might kill it. I'd watch your run time and check the battery temp half way through the run.
03-11-2008 04:00 PM
 
 
ut_neon
Key Veteran
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

i have one of those of esky 10C and then i have a mega power 1350 with 20c. this one gets hottie in the final of the flight

i also have 2x esky battery 20c power that i run on the belt cp but i think they're a bit heavy for the HBK2.

by the way which pinion are you using? i was thinking on using one of the xtreme
03-11-2008 04:09 PM
 
 
Daltuch
Heliman
Location: Seattle WA

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I ended up putting the rest of the CNC head on and that completely solved my vibration issues. There's still a little bit of tracking issue, but I'm running the woodies and its managable.
I've got really bad tracking like 1" off (it still fly's great though) and was thinking about going CNC head how much is it off on you new metal head?
03-11-2008 04:38 PM
 
 
ut_neon
Key Veteran
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

have you tried carbon blades? these solve the tracking completely at least for me was the solution on belt cp. in the HBK2 they track perfetcly with the stock woodies
03-11-2008 04:52 PM
 
 
Gregor99
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Wa

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by the way which pinion are you using?
I'm using the Esky cheap brass press on. Having come from the RC car world where all pinions have grub screw, it took me a while to warm up to the press-on style. I have a couple metal pinions but have had trouble getting them to fit properly. Now you just reminded me as to why I bought the Park motor adapter. It was to raise the motor up so I can fit the metal pinions.
03-11-2008 04:56 PM
 
 
Daltuch
Heliman
Location: Seattle WA

No I haven't tried the carbons yet although I've tried 3 sets of woodies and they're all off. When I first got it about 2 1/2 months ago it tracked great now it's awful. I wonder really how important tracking really is.
03-11-2008 04:58 PM
 
 
Gregor99
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Wa

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I've got really bad tracking like 1" off
At the risk going OT from Neon's thread, here's a short reply. If you want to start a new topic and post more details we can continue there. For blade tracking there are a number of things that can cause it. Tracking with my CNC head and woodies varies from 1 blade width to maybe 1/4 inch. Seems to change from battery to battery. I suspect the woodies are a big part of this.

There's a big however. However, with my old plastic head with the 9t the tracking with the woodies varied between 1/2 to a full blade width.

Personally I don't think CNC and CF should be the first answer to a tracking issue. There are quite a few setup and parts condition issues that should be looked at first.
03-11-2008 05:01 PM
 
 
ut_neon
Key Veteran
Location: Coimbra, Portugal

yes there could be a ton of things... i would go first for blade balancing as well weight and center of gravity.

what is the difference from wooden blades 315mm and 325mm? would the 325mm fit the belt cp?
03-11-2008 05:12 PM
 
 
Gregor99Elite Veteran - Location: Western Wa -
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When I first got it about 2 1/2 months ago it tracked great now it's awful.

Have there been any crashes?
Have any of the parts in the head been replaced?
Have you attempted to adjust the long link to bring the blades closer?
Is your spindle loose (blade grips can wooble up and down)?
Is your spindle bent?
Have you verified the washers of your thrust bearing is correctly installed (there's inside washer and an outside washer)?
Did you increase your headspeed (larger pinion, convert BL motor, or better battery)?
Where any of your ball links installed backwards?
03-11-2008 06:21 PM
 
 
Daltuch
Heliman
Location: Seattle WA

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