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QuickWorldWide Ep and Wet Fuel Helis > The Bat 50 build and review
 
 
d-bledsoe
Veteran
Location: Kirkland WA

So i am advocating metal in the right places, and not plastic because its light. So places you want and need metal in my opinion are swash, head block, and maybe some of the mixing arms, metal frame braces in certain places were they can reduce flex. From a flying stand point i like my main grips to be plastic, and if i get a bird that has metal grips i swap them out for plastic if i am going to be doing 3d.

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I would be interested in what a Quick weighs if it did have a platic swash, head, blade grips and so forth just to see an "apples to apples" so to speak.
You then wouldn't be comparing apples to apples if you did that as any bird designed for 3d will have those key head pieces as metal.

Places where plastic is acceptable would be boom holder, tail casing, batter/receiver tray, components which aren't vital on the successful flight of a helicopter. Making those metal just for the sake of having it metal doesn't show good thought we designing a bird for 3d. Now if a bird is designed to take you from starting out to mild 3d, then sure put metal where you want. But if you are designing a bird for the sole purpose of hard 3d, those things need to be taking into account.

I fully realize weight isn't there just for the sake of it, but i also realize that if i had a choice between a all metal and carbon bird that weighed 9lbs fulled, and a bird that weighs 7.9lbs fully fueled and i am wanting to do anything more then sport flying then i would choose the later.

If you are flying 2 helis in the same manner, one is lighter the other is heavier to make it stronger. Simple physics will dictate that there will still be wear on the heavier heli simply because it has much more mass to move around in the same space and time. So saying i have a heavier heli to make the wear and tear on it less is a mute point if the flying styles are the same. You will still go through bearings shafts ect..

But yes too schools of thought i guess. I really cant wait to see how this bird progresses, like i have said before i think there is potential, but that potential needs to be realized in hands that can put it through a ringer.

-Derek Bledsoe
-Infina Models
-Compass Models
-Knight 50 3d carbon
04-07-2008 10:12 PM
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snobdrs
Senior Heliman
Location: coatesville,pa-usa

Dereck makes some valid points, and im not going to argue with them, as im here to do a review. Maybe in another thread. I will say that i have been out of the hobby since the ergo days. I have however done research on the new birds, ie internet, fun flys, ect. I was disapointed in that the 50s have become the 30s of the day. Aside from a few(minature, JRs Vibe, possibly a few others) most seem to be of the plastic/composite frames. This is what i would consider throw away. They are deff. lighter, but they do wear out.
Anyway time will tell. And im excited to fly this bird and see what others think about it.

Support your local hobby shop
04-07-2008 10:27 PM
 
 
shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

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Places where plastic is acceptable would be boom holder, tail casing, batter/receiver tray, components which aren't vital on the successful flight of a helicopter. Making those metal just for the sake of having it metal doesn't show good thought we designing a bird for 3d.

I hope that you are not referring to the bat in this build. The tail case is carbon, the battery tray is carbon, and the tail boom holder is plastic. I don't quite understand your reference on these pieces.

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If you are flying 2 helis in the same manner, one is lighter the other is heavier to make it stronger. Simple physics will dictate that there will still be wear on the heavier heli simply because it has much more mass to move around in the same space and time. So saying i have a heavier heli to make the wear and tear on it less is a mute point if the flying styles are the same. You will still go through bearings shafts ect..

That is not the case with my Hirobos that I have owned. I actually flew them more gently because I was still learning. They wore out MUCH faster than my helis with metal bearing blocks and metal "key" components' that I fly now....and fly much harder as well. I'm not saying that a heavier heli makes it stronger. I'm saying that 9 out of 10 times stronger parts, or upgrade parts make a heli heavier.

One other thing:

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quote]I would be interested in what a Quick weighs if it did have a platic swash, head, blade grips and so forth just to see an "apples to apples" so to speak.
You then wouldn't be comparing apples to apples if you did that as any bird designed for 3d will have those key head pieces as metal.[/quote]

What about the 600n. It doesn't come with stock metal blade grips. How about the xcel fury....it has plastic blade grips. I have actually read that a lot of the 3d guys prefer plastic blade grips. So having "all metal" in the head is NOT necessary for 3d performance.

I'm looking forward to snobdrs first flights and see what he thinks.

Gas is Great
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04-08-2008 07:19 PM
 
 
jimboflies
Key Veteran
Location: beaumont texas

I prefer the all metal parts .

Quick of Japan RULES
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04-08-2008 10:09 PM
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shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

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I prefer the all metal parts .

So do I jimbo. If there is a weight sacrifice then so be it. I have never had to replace something metal, or I should say aluminum, because of it becomming "loose" fitting. There are many schools of thought, and opinions on this out there. This is just mine.

Gas is Great
Quick OD 26
04-09-2008 01:57 PM
 
 
Quick Worldwide
rrAdvertiser
Location: Coopersburg, PA

new Zimmermann 50 muffler

Many of you will remember this muffler from a few years back. It had great power with noise level below 89 db...

This is made now in Germany by Zimmermann in special SUS material to handle the heat with new laze welding.

Zimmermann is now prototyping a 70 & a 90 as well. The presurre outlet will be in the inside center of the header portion so make it universal for front or rear facing motors.

The 50 muffler will be available in 2 weeks with the 70 & 90 to follow.
Kits are shipping now.

04-11-2008 03:31 PM
 
 
rsalazar
Key Veteran
Location: Florida, USA

it looks nice!!

Do you have more photos
04-11-2008 03:48 PM
 
 
ripmax
Heliman
Location: Indiana

Why do the rods not run straight up to the swashplate at the front? They're at an angle which causes mechanical expo... the back one is straight though. How do you fix the interaction it causes?
04-11-2008 04:33 PM
 
 
ZXXflyer
Veteran
Location: stone mountain, georgia, US

looks like a Weston pipe.....
How much will one cost for a 70 size motor?

Believer in Weston motors!
04-11-2008 09:41 PM
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Quick Worldwide
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Location: Coopersburg, PA

I couldn't think of the name...WESTON

You like Weston motors

If the dollar vs EURO was close to parody, cost would be OK considering the great quality. To answer your question the 60-70 around 110.00 with the 90 129.99 & the 50 at 89.99

There will be a universal placement for either front or rear facing engine.

Go flying & enjoy...
04-11-2008 10:40 PM
 
 
ZXXflyer
Veteran
Location: stone mountain, georgia, US

Yup.... that exchange rate is seriously painful on the wallet!

Believer in Weston motors!
04-11-2008 11:42 PM
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snobdrs
Senior Heliman
Location: coatesville,pa-usa

Sorry for the wait. Have been busy and the weather wasnt helping either. Im in the process of breaking in the Webra 55p5. The factory settings of this motor are WAAAAAAYYY rich. I had to contact Webra before i continued to turn the needles in. I have about a tankfull through it now.
My first impressions, Very solid feel, extreemly stable. I was hoping for a more touchey feel, Im running no expo and really have to push on the stick to move it. At this point i have only hovered it. I will start push it in then next few flights.

Problems ive had.... Cant seem to keep the tail blade grips on. Threw them off twice. I finally used red locktite and they are staying on. Other then that everything is staying put. I set my gearmesh to the highspot on the gears which seems to have worn down and the mesh is on the loose side. So i will be re setting them after the next tank.

Hopefully will be starting to throw it around by the end of next weekend.

Support your local hobby shop
05-05-2008 05:42 PM
 
 
rsalazar
Key Veteran
Location: Florida, USA

Thanks for the update
05-05-2008 05:44 PM
 
 
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