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Kyosho Caliber 30 & 60 - Concept - Nexus > need a little advise
 
 
stargazerww
Heliman
Location: parkside, pa. 19015

hobbie shop owner is offering me his kyosho cal 30
has a os 30 on it
futaba servos on the cyclic i think they were 9206
jr gyro
been flown maybe 3 or 4 times just hovering
about 3 or 4 yrs old he cant remember
comes setup with a old radio cant remember what it is

he is a good builder
and everything looked good

he threw out a price of 600
do you all think this is worth the money ????

i think this could be a upgrade for me from the trex 450se

i would appreciate any info on this heli as i have no knowledge of this heli or any other of this size for that matter
02-24-2008 11:28 PM
 
 
helimatt
Key Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

I think, personally, that $600 is a little steep, but it largely depends on what radio is included, so you need to find out to get an accurate assessment. That setup with no Tx/Rx, would be like $350-$400 in my book. A better gyro would up this some.

Is it an OS .32 per chance (more likely), anyhow its a great little heli and a good step up from the 450. You'll find it very easy to fly though. Set it up for mechanical mixing (CCPM), not the sliding servo tray for collective. That sliding tray system does not really work very well.

The Caliber 30 was sold (I think by Tower) with a Futaba SkySport 6 ch radio, which is very basic and does not do CCPM, so if that's the radio with it, its kinda a throw away radio-

What radio are you flying the Trex with? You could just sub the receiver into the Caliber most likely. I fly mine with a Futaba PPM (FM but not PCM) receiver- works great. Very nice flier, parts are still available, largely through online order. Caliber 4 parts are interchangeable for the most part.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
02-25-2008 02:51 AM
 
 
heli-cuzz
Veteran
Location: Pittston, Pa. USA

The Caliber30 is a great flying 30 sized heli. My cal30 is almost three years old and it still flies like its new. It has about 500 flites on it.
Six hundred seems a bit steep unless you get a good gyro set-up along with good electronics for the rest. A brand new Caliber30 with a decent TX will run you about 800 to 1200 bucks.

Life Rotors On!!!
02-25-2008 12:45 PM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

The Caliber 30 kit has been discontinued for about a year now. Parts are still available, and parts for the newly introduced (about a year ago) Caliber 4 are interchangeable, so parts availability into the future is not as big a problem as it was when the Nexus and Concept series were discontinued by Kyosho.

That Caliber 30 is a fine flying machine and will do a lot more than many people give credit for.

To get a better indication of how much it is worth, we need to know a few more things -- and you should too.

1. OS hasn't made a 30 for years, if ever. Find out if the motor is an OS 32 SX-H or an OS 37 SZ-H. Motor alone makes a HUGE difference in the abilities of this chopper. If the motor is an OS 37 SZ-H, and it has the stock muffler on it, you'll be sorely disappointed in the overall performance of the heli. If it's an OS 37 SZ-H with a good after market muffler (Hatori, Curtis Muscle Pipe, Toki..), that's a REAL plus.

If the motor is an OS 32 SX-H, find out if it has a 3H carburetor (not good, but easily replaced for a few dollars), or a 20C (good carb). In the picture below, the 20C is the squarish one on the bottom.



If the motor is an OS32 SX-H, find out if it is the ABN version, or the ringed version. For heli use, the ringed version is a little better as it is more forgiving for a lean run.

Find out what fuel's been used in it. You may have to readjust the needle valves if you switch brands of fuel, and definitely will if you change the amount of nitro in the fuel.

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If it's offered with a radio, which one is it. If it's a Futaba Skysport, that radio is barely worth the effort to continue to use. The receiver and servos would be fine, just the TX is marginal for heli use. The health of the radio batteries is something to consider. You don't know for sure how old they are, or how well they've been maintained. You might need to replace the battery packs in the TX and RX to be safe.

Double-check which servos are installed.

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Gyro. What gyro is installed, and what servo is being used for the tail rotor. If you see a Futaba GY401 gyro and a Futaba S9253 or S9254, great, that's a plus.

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Wood or carbon fiber main rotor blades? If carbon fiber, what brand are they? Carbon fiber is a definite plus and would up the price a tiny bit.

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When was the last time the heli was flown, how long has it sat since it last saw action, how well maintained and how clean overall is it?

You may want to take the tank apart and replace ALL fuel line that you can see, inside and outside the tank. If there's a header tank, replace the fuel line there, too. If there's not a header tank, consider installing one.

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Overall, if a complete radio is supplied as part of the deal, $500 is about the most I'd offer for it. Not because it's a bad heli (it isn't, it is a great little 30-sized machine), but because used RC equipment just doesn't really hold its value. The transmitter is the key -- if it's something like the Futaba Skysport, the TX is a throw-away and has no real value in the package.

An OS 32 SX-H will fly the machine, you will learn collective pitch and throttle management, and is easily replaced with an OS 37 SZ-H with a good muffler to really wake up the Caliber 30.

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Keep in mind you'll need a starter with a 6mm hex start shaft extension, a battery to drive it, fuel pump, fuel, ignitor battery for the glow plug, some extra glow plugs, and a few extra tools that you don't now have with your Trex.

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Make sure it is set up for CCPM control (a quick visual check is to look at where the pushrods on the swashplate are located. If the three pushrods are at the three 120 degree balls, it's been set up as a CCPM system). If it is set up as a standard mix heli, find out if the guy has the CCPM parts and have him include them as part of the deal. Otherwise you'll need to buy the right servo tray to go CCPM.

CCPM is THE way to go with this heli.

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Make sure you get the manuals (if they're not available from the owner, copies are out on my gallery here).

Go through the heli and make sure it's assembled correctly and that everything is done right. If you're new to helis, or relatively new, get an experienced flyer to look it over and check it out. Make sure he is competent before asking advice.

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* Making the World a Better Place -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Dave
02-25-2008 01:35 PM
 
 
stargazerww
Heliman
Location: parkside, pa. 19015

i have a futaba 9 cap with the switches rerouted to be a 9chp works great and then i got the FAST system for it so now i can do both the fm and 2.4.. i love it not a single issue with about 200 flights on it

the radio with the kyosho heli i know is cheap so i will defiantly switch to my 9 cap and toss the old hope fully sell on !!!!!

he did saw there is carbon blades and a tone of parts, metal head

i will go down later to get the specifics on the heli

thank you so much for the info and a general price for what this is worth and ill get back to you all on what i will do especially if i get it because i will defiantly be looking for advise from ya all

once again THANK YOU and hope yall have a great day
02-25-2008 07:15 PM
 
 
Helijost
Senior Heliman
Location: Pevely, MO - USA

I think it is a little steep for a Caliber 30. It is a good machine, but the market isn't strong on it.

600N, EVO 50, Caliber 5, Beam 450, and comming soon TREX 9000 :)
02-25-2008 07:25 PM
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dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Remember, metal head or not, used RC stuff doesn't hold its value, no matter WHO made the heli.

Good on the Futaba 9. Fine choice. Perhaps you can sell the radio that comes with the C30 on Ebay and recoup some of your costs.

Snap a few pics of the heli, with and without canopy if you can -- post 'em so we can see what other advice you might need.

If you get a decent price, you'll end up with a nice heli that will take you a long way.

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* Making the World a Better Place -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Dave
02-25-2008 11:24 PM
 
 
link
Senior Heliman
Location: Gautier,ms

Caliber 30

Dont buy it invest your money in a better quality and better flying helicopter.

Enjoy the day for we know not what tomorrow holds
03-10-2008 03:57 PM
 
 
stargazerww
Heliman
Location: parkside, pa. 19015

yea well when i went to check it out at the shop he had sold it for 600 to someone else so its a lost venture now

thank you all for the info and i will keep it mind if i see another deal in the future as always i receive a ton of help from RR and i love to come back now we all neeed better weather GOOD LUCK ALL AND THANK YOU
03-10-2008 06:42 PM
 
 
aliensil
Senior Heliman
Location: Laredo Tx

If you upgrade from Trex 450 you better think on a 600N or a Raptor50, they are better choices for me now and parts are easily found on LHS.

If you insist on a Kyosho, buy a new or used cheap Caliber 5, they come stock with CF blades ($60). You can buy one NIB Cal 5 at heliproz for $260 US.

If you want to know if I will buy a Kyosho again I say NO.

Flying pigs 8,000 feet above Sea level
03-10-2008 08:58 PM
 
 
stargazerww
Heliman
Location: parkside, pa. 19015

that were my thoughts to i am thinking of going to a 600n, raptor 50, or hirobo 50
thank you
03-10-2008 09:21 PM
 
 
link
Senior Heliman
Location: Gautier,ms

Helicopter choice

The 600N is a much better choice, parts are cheaper when you crash and they fly really well. If funds are not an issue I would check out the Hirobo EVO 50 a very fine choice and a very smooth helicopter.

Enjoy the day for we know not what tomorrow holds
03-11-2008 05:18 PM
 
 
stargazerww
Heliman
Location: parkside, pa. 19015

What would a build cost for the 600 n , and the hirobo 50 as well the raptor 50 ???
Is a governor really needed? or is it a luxury?
Cant you just set a throttle curve instead?

I already have a futaba 9 channel with a fast system
03-11-2008 08:54 PM
 
 
JEEPWORLD2002
Key Veteran
Location: BLUEBELL PA USA

love my 600n All togather sport kit 450ish. mine has a ys50- 225, align pipe -75. jr770 gyro/8900- 200, 4 servos digitals 320-500. Radix main blades- 100 And 100 for a rx. so around 1300-1700. You may save on the kit price right now with align sucking up all the 50 sale the other kit may be priced to sell, so you may save there but for the rest of the electronics there all going to be around the same price unless you buy it as a combo. Dont know if you know hobby hut but Thats the shop I use and ther out of troper pa, it may be worth a drive to see if they will match or provide you with a combo. Just ask for al or wayne, those guy will hook you up. Align has a pro se kit coming out with kit blades os50 and pipe and a reg/glo start. WOuld be nice if it came with a gov too Dont know the price but there is a thread around here sum where or some one will chime in. the se kit is sweet looking with the blue and or black anodising

Trex600n Trex500 Mikado LoGo5003d// Hacker, CastleCreations,Ys 50, JR 7703d/8900, Radix
03-11-2008 09:33 PM
 
 
stargazerww
Heliman
Location: parkside, pa. 19015

YEA I USE HOBBY HUT O very good shop

ill have yo check on the pro se kit
03-12-2008 02:43 AM
 
 
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