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QuickWorldWide Ep and Wet Fuel Helis > Oops - they have done it again. Now for the real story!!!!

ozghost1952
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Just tried to fit the shaft drive to my Dominator 20cc – and as you can see from the picture it does not fit!

The unit comes preassembled and has no adjustments – the bolt holes line up – but the gear sits between the two main gears. Any suggestions?

02-24-2008 03:04 AM

kosta
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Hi Oz, is it possible raise the main shaft a little via the bottom bearing block? You might have to dremel the mounting holes 2-3mm to raise the main gears enough. kosta.

02-24-2008 11:53 AM

helibull
Senior Heliman
Location: virginia

left out shim i think....

look between the two gears that drive the belt thers a shim or washer that goes there to give it seperation ?
check w/ shuttle pilot he would no... its been a while sence ive ran across this ive erased all my pdf files that showed it?

02-24-2008 12:27 PM

ozghost1952
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Hi Costa

You are starting to think like Irwin - just dremel 3mm up into your side frames. Did you forget that if you lift the gears to get the back gears to fit, the front pinion wont mesh ..... the side frames crack even without weakening them with a dremel - sorry - not a good suggestion

Do these guys get anything right? How difficult is it to get a simple thing like this to line up?

Rather than worry about Version II of their helis, why dont they try to get their Version I things to fit?

I sense a deafening silence from the QWW Supporters club - come on guys - what did I do wrong this time? Or will you finally admit that these guys cant design helis - even after twenty one years?????

02-24-2008 12:30 PM

kosta
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Hey Oz, I thought you already had this thing flying well, why did you change from belt to shaft? kosta.

02-24-2008 01:41 PM

Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

I would not think a good response would be to ask why someone spent more money on their heli buying parts from the vendor. A lot of people do upgrades because they can.. The bad part is the upgrade doesn't fit. There is no way I would dremel my frames for a bad piece. What do you do next time or after a crash, when the piece needs to be dremeled 3mm the other way?

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, and K&B Dream Designs Teams

02-24-2008 01:48 PM

HOMEPAGE

Quick Worldwide
rrAdvertiser
Location: Coopersburg, PA

YOU GET WHAT YOU GIVE

This is an easy fix....Every one I fly or sold fits perfectly...

Strange no one else has posted any problems with our shaft drive & they are 100% same parts. There was one small problem regarding the gear on the tail output shaft needed too be turned down to fit in the housing. That was done in house after JA brought it to our attention.
I have three of our new heli designs all using the same EXACT staft drive system....they all fit perfectly.

I wish it was as easy fix the attitudes of some of the nay sayers & comments that get posted on QWW forum.
THERE ARE MANY SUPPPORTERS & WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT.

OZ We will handle your problem tomorrow....It's Sunday..If you read this before we post back please check the assembly on the counter shaft drive....OK....Irwin

02-24-2008 02:17 PM

Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

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YOU GET WHAT YOU GIVE

Exactly Irwin, exactly.

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Hey Oz....I want to buy one of your new helicopters...when is it coming out?? Next year..Are you taking deposits now also OR PAYMENT IN FULL. LOL

What a grown up way to handle a customer, I am sure it makes everyone want to rush out and buy your product! You must have forgotten you are claiming to make helis, not him.

Did he get harsh? Yeah maybe a little but afterall its not the first problem he has had with this line of heli. Every part I have bought from any of my current fleet's manufacturers has been of great fit and form. Is it too much to expect? I don't think so. We work hard for our money, we choose to spend it with whomevers aiframes tickle our fancy. We dont want to work hard at making it work, after all the time spent is supposed to be enjoying the hobby not working at fixing manufacturers shortcomings.

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, and K&B Dream Designs Teams

02-24-2008 02:36 PM

HOMEPAGE

snobdrs
Senior Heliman
Location: coatesville,pa-usa

Hey OZ

How do you expect someone to respond after you bad mouth his product?

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Do these guys get anything right? How difficult is it to get a simple thing like this to line up?

Rather than worry about Version II of their helis, why dont they try to get their Version I things to fit?

I sense a deafening silence from the QWW Supporters club - come on guys - what did I do wrong this time? Or will you finally admit that these guys cant design helis - even after twenty one years?????

And yet he is still going to help you. You act like this dosent happen with other helis. Ive had parts the didnt fit from a few major companys, i chose to either not use the part or figure why it dosent fit.

These guys dont just make a part then sell it, its a process, ive seen the exact part your talking about, i was shown 3 different prototypes, was shown that each one had an improvement. They dont just get what they get and sell it. Each part is fitted, then refitted, then refitted again.

Did you even try to figure out why??? And you know what. Even after all this THEY WILL STILL TRY TO HELP FIX THE PROBLEM. Try and bad mouth so other companys stuff, then ask them for help.

Support your local hobby shop

02-24-2008 02:53 PM

Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

snobsdrs I did a little research on this and have had dealings with Irwin as well. I know QWW could produce a good heli. I didnt say can!

If you research ozghosts post there are a number of negative things said, but in all fairness he has applauded QWW efforts as well even given positive feedback to a few things. It seems to me he plays fair when dealt with fairly and gets a bit gruff when frustrated. To gruff at times but what do you expect time after time. Everything has a breaking point. You purchase a heli kit you expect to be in the air trouble free within 60 hours max right? Now order from a foreign country and multiply that by several shipments.

All I got to say is it should be right the first time everytime. Sure a good mfg backs up his product in the event a flaw gets out and so far I think Irwin always does but how many times you want to be supported instead of flying.

Rick

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, and K&B Dream Designs Teams

02-24-2008 03:10 PM

HOMEPAGE

snobdrs
Senior Heliman
Location: coatesville,pa-usa

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All I got to say is it should be right the first time everytime. Sure a good mfg backs up his product in the event a flaw gets out and so far I think Irwin always does but how many times you want to be supported instead of flying

I totally agree with this Rick. As far as flaws getting out there, im sure there are a few but not as many as we are made to believe. QWW is very thorough with their quality control. Ive looked through their parts bins, out of hundreds of one part youd be hard pressed to find a bad one. Im not saying it dosent happen.
As i stated in other posts these are builders helis. if you take your time and pay attention to detail you end up with one great heli. If you slap it together and hammer on parts, or try to press things together, your going to have problems. Either way Irwin offers his help and most times new parts if needed, sometimes even if he knows the part was ruined buy you.
Thats pretty stand-up in my book.

Support your local hobby shop

02-24-2008 03:58 PM

tr0cks
Heliman
Location: philadelphia, PA

first sell screwed up stock

XXXX

02-24-2008 11:03 PM

ozghost1952
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Some responses …

Kosta – it is not an upgrade (or downgrade!) just for the sake of it – the 20cc gasser was purchased for a specific scale project – a BK117 with 50 degree tail gearbox and high tail – it needs a torque drive. I have spent many months preparing the body to take this frame – to scrap the mechanics now would be a waste of a lot of work.

Wa11banger – thanks for your understanding – it is frustrating dealing with so many issues – and if it were just a pod and boom heli – I would have thrown it in the bin a long time ago – but I hate to accept defeat – and thus have spent more time than it was worth – trying to get this machine to fly reliably

Snobdrs – if you think asking for help from the community about a stock upgrade that doesn’t fit – is bashing – then I cant really add anything further

Irwin – nothing new from you – start off with your standard abuse – followed by the usual “strange that no one blah blah blah” – the quickest way to stop the bad attitude unique to your forums – is to stop selling helis with defective and substandard parts.

If you even took the trouble to understand the problem without the blind jumping to defend your products – you will know that it has nothing to do with an output shaft needing to be turned down. The top gear is where it has to be to mesh with the output shaft – and the pinion gear is in a fixed position – due to the circlip and the pin through the shaft that locks the pinion gear. With this model this is 3mm too short and nothing less than a re-machined shaft with a repositioned groove for the circlip (or a 3mm shim) and a redrilled hole for the locking pin will fix the problem.

Please post the simple fix on this forum – so that you can show everyone that I cant even fit a pre-assembled part to one of your kits

02-25-2008 12:43 AM

snobdrs
Senior Heliman
Location: coatesville,pa-usa

oz if all you did was ask the fourm for help it wouldnt have been a problem. Its your added comments after the fact.

Support your local hobby shop

02-25-2008 01:42 AM

kosta
Heliman
Location: Melbourne Australia

Oz, is the locking pin on the bottm of the counter gear or the top? If it's on the bottom with the circlip on top then turn the gear down 3mm from the top and like you said use 3mm of shimming so there's no play between the circlip and gear. I know it's a down right pain in the *** and not the best solution but just trying to help. If the locking pin is on top, then like you said, a new shaft is in order. kosta.

02-25-2008 02:56 AM

Quick Worldwide
rrAdvertiser
Location: Coopersburg, PA

FLIP BOTH THE COUNTER GEAR BEARING BLOCKS.

I guess you have not figured it out yet? If you flip the counter gear bearing block so the press in side of both blocks are facing towards the counter gear the shaft has CNC ridges machines into the shaft preventing the bearing from coming out of there blocks.

THIS INFORMATION IS CLEARLY HIGHLIGHTED IN THE INSTRUCTIONS.

i SURE HOPE YOU CAN ADMIT ON LINE THAT THE PROBLEM IS FIXED. This seems too be a big problem with our helicopters so we will try to assemblie them along with the clutch bell, main gear assembly & other parts that are causing problems from misassembly...

JUST READ & FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS

Mr OZ please our readers would like to hear about the design & the quality of our shaft drive system...

MAYBE JA Allen can chime in here as well....

Irwin

02-25-2008 01:55 PM

shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

Oz, doesn't want my help because I don't have a 20cc. I've tried to help in the past, but I was told that I didn't know what I was talking about so I refrain.

Gas is Great
Quick OD 26

02-25-2008 02:02 PM

ozace
Key Veteran
Location: melbourne, australia

Irwin, i have refrained from passing comment but the demeaning tone of your post has offended me. The very first post stated the item was factory assembeled. Please appologise to OZ for the factory sending out an incorrect assembly. Then you can apologise for the rude tone of your post in regard

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JUST READ & FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS

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we can never have too many, can we ?

02-25-2008 08:33 PM

shuttlepilot
Elite Veteran
Location: Mullins, South Carolina

ozace

I know that Irwin can off with a demeaning tone, and I'm not trying to defend that. My question is, why couldn't the first post of this thread with pic be emailed to Irwin FIRST. Then, if no issue is resolved.....post away.

It's obvious that ozghost is going to post ANYTHING negative that he can at this point. I mean, look at the title. It could have just as easily been titled "help with shaft drive".

Gas is Great
Quick OD 26

02-25-2008 08:51 PM

snobdrs
Senior Heliman
Location: coatesville,pa-usa

It may be demeaning but how many times can you tell people to READ THE DIRECTIONS. Even if the part was pre assembeled one would think, Especially if your having SO MANY PROBLEMS, that you would check the part to make sure it was assembled correctly.
OZACE how do you expect Irwin to respond? Look at the title of the post. How about this line.

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Do these guys get anything right? How difficult is it to get a simple thing like this to line up?

Thats pretty demeaning, But your affended cuz Irwin tells you its all in the directions. Gimme a break. As soon as anyone has any kind of small problem you post on here and say its junk. Dont even try to figure out what is wrong, or why this part dosent fit.
Top it all of by being offended because Irwin shows little patience for this. Yet he will still do anything needed to make it right. I just dont get it.

Support your local hobby shop

02-25-2008 09:09 PM

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