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Main Discussion > the ultimate swash leveling tool no money needed!
 
 
JAGNZ
rrProfessor
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Thanks Dilbeck, I'll try it out on my Fury tonight.

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, T700N, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz
02-22-2008 03:51 AM
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Ecklund1
New Heliman
Location: Brier, Washington

Beautiful! Well done indeed. This is definitely one of those forehead-slapping "Why didn't I think of that?!" ideas. And, you're even demonstrating on MY model! As soon as I hit "Submit", I'm heading for my wrenches... Thanks!

Jeff
02-22-2008 03:52 AM
 
 
Shredder777
Senior Heliman
Location: Riverside, CA - USA

awesome! and cheap! Thank you man!

Align Trex 600 Nitro Pro, T-rex 450 SE GF
02-22-2008 04:22 AM
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jcrack_corn
Senior Heliman
Location: Lafayette, LA

i'm sorry, i'm in the camp that swash levelers are snake oil.

assuming you have correct geometry (link lengths, everything 90 degrees) then you lift the bird off, trim it, adjust links, rinse and repeat until the bird hovers in one spot.

at that point I assure you your swash will NOT be level (of course because of the effect of tail rotor and CofG).

I do not believe it is a necessary step. Just my opinion, and I can get full pitch range and hands off hover on my birds.

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02-22-2008 04:33 AM
 
 
Ecklund1
New Heliman
Location: Brier, Washington

Actually, this will give you a good reference point.
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geometry (link lengths, everything 90 degrees)
This simple tip would do just that, to the Swash. Eliminating the need for a purchased tool. No eyeballing like everything else. And, it is a "swash leveling aid" not a "trim elimination device".
I think it's a great tip to share to those who find it useful.
02-22-2008 04:48 AM
 
 
heliferdz
Heliman
Location: stockton, ca usa

bad eyeballs, ill try it too, but what size should i use?
02-22-2008 05:54 AM
 
 
rcfreak7
Senior Heliman
Location: southern california

I love stuff like this!

i am my own dog
02-22-2008 06:19 AM
 
 
v58 fuy
Veteran
Location: UK - Tunbridge Wells, Kent

I think it's a really simple clever idea, and in fact if you think about how it works it doesn't matter whether the allen key is in fact anywhere near 90 degrees - as you are simply rotating the main shaft.

David
02-22-2008 06:32 AM
 
 
f14tomcatfreak
Senior Heliman
Location: rochester,ny us

thanks hey why didnti think of that
02-22-2008 06:48 AM
 
 
JRjoe
Elite Veteran
Location: Portage, IN USA #1

I agree with JAGNZ it's not about bashing this thread. Just asking questions. Lets ease up and have a little fun. Heck i like new ideas too.......

And yes i do understand now that it doesn't need to be at 90 degrees.


JRjoe
02-22-2008 10:38 AM
 
 
jester4
Key Veteran
Location: Brampton, Ontario

Great tip! I'm gonna give this one a go for sure.

You just effectively killed-off swash leveler sales in one post, watch your back
02-22-2008 12:54 PM
 
 
Parsifal
Veteran
Location: Singapore

JEEEEEEEZZZZZZ!!!! i am a dumbassssssss i just spent ages trolling the local hobby stores to a swash leveller for my stratus!! i have 3 sets of allen wrenches right in front of me at home!!! GREAT FRIGGIN IDEA!!

Pars
02-22-2008 01:03 PM
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Swoop
Key Veteran
Location: Newark, DE USA

Great idea! to those who eyeball: I've set more than a couple of eccpm's up this way and they hovered fine, however it wasn't until trying a leveler that I found out how inacurate my eye was. Levelers make it quick and easy to eliminate servo interaction at the extents of swash travel even if only by small amounts.
02-22-2008 05:13 PM
 
 
Simmer
Key Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

OK awesome idea I will try it, (Ill still buy a leveling tool I'm siure cause thats part of what I do in this hobby.


For those who dont see the need let me explain why I need to do this.

Called interaction. Simply put my rolls are not straight as an arrow and I know why that is, simply want to fix it (with out adding a mix if at all possible.

I have flown my old Xcell Graphite, not CCPM and it rolled perfectly straight. A very pretty sight to behold. Now I have a tail moving a little in my roll. I know its not me (as best as I ca tell)

Mechanical mixing helicopters are not AS prone to this interaction.
and whomever said the better setup and balenced helicopter flys better is 100% correct. If you have flown one that flys true, you would appreciate the difference. Whether it matters as much to YOU depends on what your flying style is. Maybe you simply dont mind adding in some stick movements to make a perfect roll. I mind because I know what it should be doing.

No bashing now, we are all entitled to fly in our own style.
(heck I couldnt even drive my truck or car if the steering wheel is not centered and it better not pull to one side either )
02-25-2008 03:58 PM
 
 
jester4
Key Veteran
Location: Brampton, Ontario

I used your "allen key method" this weekend on a T500 for the initial set-up, and it worked perfectly! The heli flew hands-off on the first flight. Great tip!
02-25-2008 04:05 PM
 
 
Dilbeck
Key Veteran
Location: Springdale Arkansas

Dear simmer: The bubble level is so inferior to this that you will throw it away, The (bubble level) the smaller it gets the more inaccurate it is! The bubble level is only good up to 1 foot after that those small increments mean so much, plus everything else has to be that same inaccurate amount of level, its almost the same as eyeballing it. if your as anil as me you will give this a go and be done!!!!! I start a 0 deg then move the collective all the way up and check again, then all the way down and same thing, you may find some mix necessary to get it perfect because of the variations in servo arms throwing it off. Flew today and their was no adjusting necessary from the bench, Done the first time every time. Never thought blades could track this good! Doing a full pierrot the heli does not wonder, even in a climb out.

If it doesn't fly sell it!
02-26-2008 12:51 AM
 
 
Simmer
Key Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

Thanks Dilbeck,
Ill not get the bubble, I understand what your explaining to me.

I would guess as you slide up the swash to check at the top of collective the allen key slides up the shaft as well. Guess you must try to keep it as square or aligned to the main shaft. Boy I am anxious to complete this last step and see the difference!
02-26-2008 02:19 AM
 
 
Old Sloppy
Heliman
Location: Atlanta, Georgia USA

This is one of the all time best idea's.
I was about to order an expensive leveler and now I don't have to.

Harry

Trex 600e CF,Futaba 7CH 2.4 ghz, Air Thunder , X-Cell optical tachometer
02-26-2008 02:52 AM
 
 
Bad Karma
Veteran
Location: UK

Jcrack_corn, the swash will be level in a hover if the heli is balanced right, just because the heli has been set into a slight lean doesn't mean the swash hasnt returned to centre, the swash will be level reletive to the helicopter at centre stick on a correctly set up and balanced heli, no matter what the helicopters orientation.
02-26-2008 10:46 AM
 
 
Dilbeck
Key Veteran
Location: Springdale Arkansas

Just found the guy who originally posted the use of the Allen wrench, His name is British Bulldog and lives in Spain. (Just so i give credit where credit is due)! Clint.

If it doesn't fly sell it!
02-26-2008 06:01 PM
 
 
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