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Kyosho Caliber 30 & 60 - Concept - Nexus > Caliber 6?
 
 
BrentC
Senior Heliman
Location: Utah, USA

This is probably old news, my search feature not working today. Is this a new Heli from Kyosho? It looks like a Caliber 5 with the EMS set up. The product description also lists a strengthened one way bearing and 440cc fuel tank with a push pull tail.
http://www.kyosho.com/eng/products/...oduct_id=103147

That can't be good!
02-21-2008 03:33 PM
 
 
aliensil
Senior Heliman
Location: Laredo Tx

Hummm...

I recently compare my nice quality-good looking Caliber 5 vs my ols design, cheapo plastic looking, mecanichal mixing system Raptor 50's, final veredict, Raptors appears to be more powerful agile machines thanks to its 8.5:1 ratio, even with the 9.1:1 my Caliber hesitate to be super agile (same servos combo, emms mixing on Caliber, hyper on Caliber os normal on Raptor :eek Caliber 1800 RPM max, Raptor nearly 2,000 and still keep more power. My next move are going to change the hyper for a more powerful engine like the new redline .53, or make mods for a big block conversion but I donīt think the Caliber will support the power or dimmensions of an OS .70.

So, the question is, why Kyosho offers the same product with parts you could esily buy as upgrades? you donīt need to buy a whole new kit to realize itīs not a winner.

I'd love my Caliber but I don't support anymore good comments until I see (and flight) real champion specifications. It's like to buy a ferrari with a VW beetle 1600 engine.

Flying pigs 8,000 feet above Sea level
02-22-2008 01:33 AM
 
 
HAT
Senior Heliman
Location: OC California

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So, the question is, why Kyosho offers the same product with parts you could esily buy as upgrades? you donīt need to buy a whole new kit to realize itīs not a winner.

Very simple. It's for people who does not own any Caliber.

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recently compare my nice quality-good looking Caliber 5 vs my ols design, cheapo plastic looking, mecanichal mixing system Raptor 50's, final veredict, Raptors appears to be more powerful agile machines thanks to its 8.5:1 ratio, even with the 9.1:1 my Caliber hesitate to be super agile (same servos combo, emms mixing on Caliber, hyper on Caliber os normal on Raptor :eek Caliber 1800 RPM max, Raptor nearly 2,000 and still keep more power.

Totally disagree. I don't know how you set up your caliber but mine can compete with ANY 50 flying machine.

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02-22-2008 07:39 PM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Caliber 5 warmed over a bit. EMS standard, pull-pull tail, from looking at the pictures.

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Dave
02-23-2008 03:54 AM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

I don't know why you can't get more than 1800 RPM out of your C5, mine, powered with a YS50 easily turns 2100+.

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Dave
02-23-2008 03:59 AM
 
 
andersg
Heliman
Location: Sweden/Stockholm

I have a Hyper 50 in my C5. And the manual says that you get the most power out of it at 17000 rpm. That give you a head speed at 1850. Whit gear ratio 9,1:1.

But there is no problem to get 2100rpm head speed. But then i dont now how good the engin runs.

What`s the optimal rpm on an YS50 and a TT50 redline?

Anders G
02-23-2008 06:33 PM
 
 
aliensil
Senior Heliman
Location: Laredo Tx

My setup??? well I work hours to make a perfect setup, both mccpm and eccpm, both slide and work perfect on bench but, at field, Caliber 5 system feels sticky and poor compared to my Raptors, same servos, same gyro, old engine (not hyper).

At 9.6:1 and 9.1:1 ratios engine runs fine and is hard to bog but, if you run at perfect ballpark you only got 1850, or less headspeed, of course you can always go lean or high on nitro. Really you need to fly a cheapo Raptor 50 (of course perfect setup) and later a caliber 5 to feel what are you lost at hobby.

Iīd love my Caliber, I think his aiframe design is pretty efficient but the main gear ratio is a mess as well as the swash design.

Flying pigs 8,000 feet above Sea level
03-02-2008 03:39 AM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

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if you run at perfect ballpark you only got 1850, or less headspeed, of course you can always go lean or high on nitro.

My motor is a YS50. I changed the countershaft pinion to get the 9.1:1 ratio (which if you count the teeth and do the math, is really 8.97:1), running 15% fuel, I've been tached at as high as 2200 RPM, typically about 2000 - 2100. I'm not tweaked overly lean, the YS purrs along and has is quite happy in the air.

I don't know what the problem you cite with the swash is, but the Caliber 5 feels as good as, if not better, than my EVO50 does in the air, I'm flying the EMS linkage kit to get CCPM control.

The only problem I see with the swash is that I'd like to have the all-metal one from my Caliber 4 on it, instead. That is one nice swashplate.

I did put some slightly longer balls on the swashplate (for the links that go up to the head), and put some small washers about one mm thick under the front and rear ball to give me a bit more clearance for the A-arms at full deflection).

The muffler I've been flying is the MP5, put that on back in July 2007. Prior to the MP5 I was using the stock muffler. The YS is much happier with the MP5 than it was with the stock exhaust, but the stock exhaust was not horrible, it worked pretty well.

MR blades are Radix 600s, TR blades are Radix 95s.

Prior to putting in the YS, I was running a Hyper 50, stock muffler, same 15% fuel and the 8:97:1 gearing. The Hyper was also running quite happily, not too lean, and again, I was tached in the 2000-2100 RPM range on an average flight.

I haven't had to work hours to get things right. I originally was using JR DS811s on the swash control, in late August I changed those out for some Hitec HS6975HB servos. Faster, more torque. The DS811s worked well, I didn't notice any sluggishness, and again, the heli felt as good as, if not better, than my EVO 50 in the air.

The BIG difference appears to be in your signature line...if you're truly flying at 8000 feet above sea level, you have a serious handicap.

I lived in Kansas City, Missouri, for about three years, it's about 850 feet above sea level at Lake Jacomo/Fleming Park (if I remember correctly) where I used to fly. This was in the mid 1980s, my 12 pound Schluter Superior flew very well with its HP61 Gold Cup motor. I moved from Kansas City to Albuquerque, New Mexico, with an altitude of about 5280 feet.

That same 12-pound Superior that flew very well and had lots of "get up and go" in Kansas City, would barely get airborne in New Mexico. I put a Supertiger 75 in place of the HP61, and got some, but not all, of the performance back.

My current flying site is about 850 feet above sea level and the Caliber 5 handles very well here.

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Dave
03-02-2008 04:32 AM
 
 
aliensil
Senior Heliman
Location: Laredo Tx

Thank You Dave youīre so kind everytime.

Well, maybe living in a city too high (like Mexico city, Albuquerque or Denver) gives you the chance to put a really challenge to the heli and engine, I even think to buy and place one of these new .53 Redline engines but decided to go another way.

Can imagine for a moment what happens if your beloved Caliber 5 or 6 could fly on an 8.5:1 ratio (raptor stock)?, there are slight design differences between raptors and calibers that could help to be more or less efficient too: engine position (Caliber is higher but tanks are lenght between blades to main gear boss (160 vs 230 mm), I'm suspect flybar ratio are more aggresive on raptors too.

I spend a lot of time setting up my Caliber because always can be more precise and aqcurate, checking and sealing muffler airleaks (until I change for a TT one but is designed to work on another radio from 8.5 to 8.7), welding pullys, adapting outer fan case to avoid link rub, fix plastic washout slope and later upgrading for metal one, seting up throttle curves and engine perfect mix are difficult because at 50% open carb does not mean 1600 RPM, vs metal head upgrading on my raptors (thats the only upgrade I'm do). Research many hours in forums like RR, raptortechnique, rotorworks, read many times Rays authoritative manual and seeing until boring the DVD setup series and as many books and videos I can find.

If caliber 5 work fine for you nearest sea level I don't imagine what my raptors can do.

Well, anyway, I'm convinced my Caliber is perfect for novices, hover, circuits and sport flying but thats all, for me itīs not a serious 3D contender. My next project are going to be an 600N rex or an Extreme 50 (if wallet and annouced economy crisis let me do).

Flying pigs 8,000 feet above Sea level
03-02-2008 04:22 PM
 
 
BrentC
Senior Heliman
Location: Utah, USA

Looks like things are heating up in R/C Heli land. Kyosho is offering a 30 size Electric Heli based on the Caliber 4?
http://www.kyosho.com/eng/products/...oduct_id=103149

That can't be good!
03-15-2008 03:36 PM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Another "old news" flash. I guess the winter was as tough in Utah as it has been here in Iowa. Perhaps the internet wires are just starting to thaw in your part of the country.

According to the website, it should be available, "March 2008". Haven't seen anyone advertising it or showing it in stock. Perhaps it will be August by the time anyone here in the states sees one.

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Dave
03-15-2008 05:44 PM
 
 
BrentC
Senior Heliman
Location: Utah, USA

Really I just want to see some movement in this forum

That can't be good!
03-15-2008 06:02 PM
 
 
aliensil
Senior Heliman
Location: Laredo Tx

You're right Brent!! I'm moving to the Trex threads.

Flying pigs 8,000 feet above Sea level
03-15-2008 06:22 PM
 
 
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