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e-E-Flite Blade CP CX 400-3D > Blade CP+ Pro YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!
 
 
zaw
Veteran
Location: Lebanon, NH - USA

E-Flite stuff rip off anyways, that why I switched over to E-Sky. A lot cheaper of same parts. get a CP2 barebone for $50 add some cheap servo and receiver and ready to fly. Even with brushless motor and direct drive tail and battery the whole thing will cost about $150 and it will fly better then $240 eflite bladecp. But they're in same size class, it doesn't have big enough blade span to stabilize it self. There must be rule in model heli physics when blade size reach at least 325mm it get stable but anything small will always twitchy and ONLY A FEW GOOD pilots will be able to fly them.

The non bell hiller blade CP head are though and simple, very few parts and work real good. When they do Bell Mixer setup, blade grips always break crash get costly. I just use non bell mixer head until I was ready.

I don't know about 300 size heli's deter people from the hobby but I think not enough patience and money deter them away from this hobby.

A lot of people my self included saw some guy doing 3D tricks on you tube and thinks easy until you learn that even getting it one inch off the ground is challenge once you hold the TX for the first time and throttle it up.

BCP+CP2 mix Separates BL, DD-tail, HH //\\ HBK2 JGF 400 11T //\\ Friend's B400
04-26-2008 02:24 AM
 
 
agwright1183
New Heliman
Location: Vancouver, wa

To Bob, Doug, or another with intelligent input.

I am a new flier, (4 months) and am wondering the path to take with my BCP. In an effort to make me the best pilot I can be, I am curious if I should invest in a HH gyro (tempting perhaps because I assume it wil lbe easier) or keep punishing myself with the stock rate gyro. What are the experienced pilots' thoughts?
04-26-2008 08:01 AM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

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If you throw enough money at anything you can make it fly
I think sometimes guys throw money at the wrong things(bling) For example the last one I bought on Feabay over the winter was 70. bucks. Kept the stock plastic head (NO CNC)telebee HH gyro 40. bucks on Fleabay. HDX 300 outrunner and Dynam ESC 40. bucks-- Grand total $ 150. bucks. I do agree it's a little pricey brand new but it doesn't NEED to be upgraded to learn to fly. My flying bud has the Blade CP (not pro) completely stock and he flies it every single day and loves it. His goals are not hard 3D, but rather flying in all orientations and just having fun, and its serving it's purpose for him. To agwright, A HH gyro will make your tail hold better and possibly a brushless main motor but take your time. Take baby steps and get comfortable in all orientations. Alot of guys get "3D" fever and jump ahead of themselves too quickly-- and that's when alot crashes happen The regular ole Blade CP (not the pro) is probably a better learning heli than the pro for new guys that may tend to over-correct anyway.
I do like the challenge of the very small micro's but it depends on the personality of the pilot as well, Like BOB WHO said-- They are not for everyone
04-26-2008 12:04 PM
 
 
leftyatm
Veteran
Location: Elkton, MD, USA

Man Agwright, did you not read the lat 87 posts? Myself and many many others upgraded our heli tremendously, brushless dd tail, dual tails, brushless motors better blades and gyros etc. We found to our surprise that it flew even worse. IF you are going to fly it I wish you luck but strongly imply that at the very very most, you leave bone stock!!!!! And then make the best of it. Because chances are, that's the best it will ever be.
04-26-2008 03:02 PM
 
 
BOB WHO?
Senior Heliman
Location: downey, ca., usa

OK agwright
You already have a BCP and you're learning to fly. So let's go from here and make that heli as good a trainer as possible. This is an appropriate question for me today because yesterday a friend of mine brought over his BCPP that he is learning on and wanted me to repair it after he crashed. I replaced and or repaired the usual stuff and began to properly set up this stock Blade (probably for the first time). After setting up the correct pitch range in stunt mode(+10 / -10) I dialed in as much gain as the heli could take. In this case it was about 85%(clockwise). I don't mind a little tail wag with this set up of the gyro being part of the 3in1 beacuse the tail holds better with as much gain as possible. Then adjusted the proportion to it's correct setting so that the heli didn't yaw left or right or maybe on a full battery slightly yawing right. Reason: as the battery weakens, the heli tends to yaw left. Trims on the radio are all set in the middle position. I also added Dougs 7/64ths windshield washer hose mod in place of stock o-rings to stiffen the head. Then I replaced the retaining pin with a paper clip (search here for 'paper clip mod' or 'jesus pin', this usually saves the 3in1 when crashed. Then I dialed it in with mechanical trims. I was surprised (I forgot) how stable this thing is. Without a HH gyro and set up properly (can't emphasize this enough), this heli is STABLE. If I had it to do all over again as a trainer I might leave it at that. You can add a budget HH gyro if you want to spend money and it will improve (slightly) the looseness of the tail. As a trainer I would say that's all I would recommend. Now just be patient with your learning experience as this is a very difficult hobby to become proficient in. I would learn all orientations at a nice slow pace. When you can fly this heli around in circles and figure 8's, then get a 450 belt driven model. Many of us that started on Blade CPs only really appreciate the Brushless and other performance mods on these helis now that we can fly. In other words we have come back to them and like them better now than we ever did as we were learning because with the performance mods, this thing is a rocket and it 'aint no trainer'.

Bob
04-26-2008 05:30 PM
 
 
Bluesilver30
Veteran
Location: USAF Academy, CO - USA

Do they make many non coaxial fixed pitched heli's anymore? I would say those are the best micro heli's to learn on. cheap, easy to repair, and more maneuverable than coaxial. agwright, if you already have bought a BCCP i wouldn't bother with upgrades. I've found with RC, KISS (keep it simple stupid) is the best approach. the blade will fly fine out of the box for your needs. don't bother upgrading unless you plan to start 3D...which won't be for a while. and if you really want to do heavy 3D, you'll probably end up upgrading to a bigger, easier machine.

-Nick
04-26-2008 11:31 PM
 
 
Pull-n-Pitch
Veteran
Location: Mt. Dora, Florida (USA)

Lefty--
I have heard a lot, BUT where and what type of flying do you want to do???
Do you want to fly outside in low/minimal winds or are you looking to fly in open fields with higher variable winds??
This will help you "pick" the heli that suite's your needs...
Let us know and only then can you narrow it down to a T-450 or larger scale heli!
Remember, You can upgrade like crazy, but if it doesn't do what you it to do, you haven't achieved what you set out to do!
Once you have the heli that fills your needs, their is no looking back and the only way to go is forward in the learning curve!
Once again, my opinion only.....

Pull-n-Pitch
04-27-2008 07:59 AM
 
 
leftyatm
Veteran
Location: Elkton, MD, USA

I agree with you 168% Pull-n-pitch. I am already 3 steps ahead of you. I have a somewhat open area around my house to fly. But within walking distance there is a large large field where they guy that used to own the property used it as a runway for his normal size airplane. The reason I said 3 steps ahead of you is because I have already bought a T-rex 450 SE V2. Liked that so much, I went out and bought a Twin kit from Flying hobby that consisted of a 600 CF and another 450 SE V2. I am not into aggressive 3d. While it surely is IMPRESSIVE AS HELL LOOKING, I don't really care for it. Sure I know it takes a large amount of talent and skill and patience to do it. But at the same time, it can kind of look ugly to me. Sorry guys I know what it takes and it's impressive to watch but for me I love just free flight and flying it around like a real helicopter. Making nice turns some loops and just flying as realistic as possible. I love it. Maybe one day I'll try the 3d thing but as of now, I love free flight
04-27-2008 04:17 PM
 
 
vrex
Senior Heliman
Location: Denver Co

subscribe
04-28-2008 12:52 PM
 
 
leftyatm
Veteran
Location: Elkton, MD, USA

Vrex what do you mean by subscribe? Do you mean you feel the same I do about flying?
04-28-2008 05:43 PM
 
 
vidmarv
Senior Heliman
Location: ft walton beach, FL

I think....

He just wants to read any further comments regarding this topic.

VM

Perfectly sliced air every time!
04-28-2008 05:55 PM
 
 
vrex
Senior Heliman
Location: Denver Co

Yes I do want to continue to read the posts, I am presently flying a stock HBFP and a Hirobo SRB Quark. I have my CP pro sitting in the wings. There are so many good suggestions on this forum and others it is really hard to decide just what I should do to the heli before I fire it up.
I finished up flying both a Hirobo XRB and a totally blinged out CX2, both of which are with happy new owners. Plus I have Phoenix on the computer.
So keep the comments coming!
04-28-2008 07:28 PM
 
 
tutelar-rc
Key Veteran
Location: Nobleton, Ontario - Canada

I learned on the stock Blade CP Pro, then as my ability increased (and my desire for more performance), I invested in the following upgrades:

  1. additional battery packs - I hate waiting 1 hour to fly again
  2. a second BCPP - so I could fly while the first model's motor cooled off
  3. HH gyro - eliminates the need to worry about tail control
  4. brushless main motor - improves the power of the model
  5. direct-drive tail - improves the responsiveness of the tail (better holding power)
  6. DX7 radio - 1 transmitter to control multiple models;no glitches
  7. brushless tail motor - to avoid the problem of burned out motors

In hindsight, if I were to do this over again, I would go through steps 1 to 3 for learning. Then, invest in a more powerful model.

Happy Flying!
04-29-2008 04:40 AM
 
 
LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

Quote 
You already have a BCP and you're learning to fly. So let's go from here and make that heli as good a trainer as possible. This is an appropriate question for me today because yesterday a friend of mine brought over his BCPP that he is learning on and wanted me to repair it after he crashed. I replaced and or repaired the usual stuff and began to properly set up this stock Blade (probably for the first time). After setting up the correct pitch range in stunt mode(+10 / -10) I dialed in as much gain as the heli could take. In this case it was about 85%(clockwise). I don't mind a little tail wag with this set up of the gyro being part of the 3in1 beacuse the tail holds better with as much gain as possible. Then adjusted the proportion to it's correct setting so that the heli didn't yaw left or right or maybe on a full battery slightly yawing right. Reason: as the battery weakens, the heli tends to yaw left. Trims on the radio are all set in the middle position. I also added Dougs 7/64ths windshield washer hose mod in place of stock o-rings to stiffen the head. Then I replaced the retaining pin with a paper clip (search here for 'paper clip mod' or 'jesus pin', this usually saves the 3in1 when crashed.

I think this post illustrates what I am saying perfectly...

The Blade was designed to fail...

if they put a better gyro on it to start with, it would crash less...thats the last thing a company wants is people buying fewer replacement parts...

If they put a tail motor on it that lasted more than a few flights, they would sell fewer landing skids, blades, booms and other parts that get damaged in a crash...including battery packs...

most guys put a dual motor setup on it or a DD tail...if it was designed with a tail rotor that had less pitch or less mass, the tail motor would last longer and actually hold the tail better...but then, how would they sell replacement parts?

If they set it up so that the retaining pin failed instead of burning out the 50 dollar 3-in1, how would they sell replacement parts?


I could go on but I won't...

all I can say is Caveat Emptor

Let the buyer beware...

I agree with the other poster who said that the E-sky parts are priced more fairly...if youre gonna go with one of these micros, you'd be better off with a HBK2...
04-29-2008 05:14 AM
 
 
tutelar-rc
Key Veteran
Location: Nobleton, Ontario - Canada

I really like my Esky KingV2 and Belt CP. But their setup is more complicated than a BCPx, and more difficult to repair.

Every heli has some issues (ie. KingV2 has a main motor that burns out, Belt CP ESC will go up in flames in a crash - ask me how I know this ).

Eflite parts availability is second to none. Sure you will pay more, but you can buy them anywhere. Eflite's claim to market-share is not "first-to-market", or "cheapest-in-market" -- it is "available-everywhere". Seems to be working for them (unfortunate for us cheap guys...).

Fortunately, there is TONS of information on all helis on RR (and other sites) to help everyone with whatever heli they choose to buy!

Happy Flying!
04-29-2008 05:35 AM
 
 
BOB WHO?
Senior Heliman
Location: downey, ca., usa

Lou I wouldn't say the blade was designed to fail, I would say that it was designed to make Horizon Hobby lots and lots of money in spite of the fact that it is not the best trainer. I agree with tutelar that if many of us had it to do over again, we might have left it alone with a HH gyro, extra batteries, paper clip mod, and maybe Dougs w/w hose dampening mod. I can never really count on the tail holding. Sometimes it does no matter what and sometimes it doesn't no matter what (I've done just about everything to both of mine that can be done). After you have learned to fly, they're more fun than if you are learning on one. I asked the question in a post many months ago: Why do I constantly hear 'if you can fly that, you can fly anything'? Now I know the answer, but the experience has made me a better pilot.
04-29-2008 06:02 AM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

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If they put a tail motor on it that lasted more than a few flights
Not true Lou, my flying Bud is flying a stock Blade CP and getting at least 50 flights from the main and tail motors. 10 bucks a piece at 50 flights = pretty cheap FUN to me. My experience has been the brushed motors last quite along time providing you don't make the thing alot heavier with (useless bling) I am currently running a $ 20. HDX main motor and a $10. GWS Direct Drive tail motor and its my favorite set-up so far. The tail holds as good or better than any belt driven tail I ever tried. The size of the Blade also allows you to fly it absolutley anywhere you want. I still say it's the set-up of the heli and the pilot more than the manufacturer. Let me also add LOU, If I had started with with a TREX, I would probably be "singing TREX praises" in the TREX forum Who knows
04-29-2008 11:46 AM
 
 
BOB WHO?
Senior Heliman
Location: downey, ca., usa

Hey Doug
How does the tail on your blade hold as well or better than the belt driven models? If the tails would hold on mine, I would like them even better. I have a G-90 on one and a Zoom(telebee) on the other. I think the Zoom holds better. I've been flying the G-90 lately and doing full throttle climbs. Sometimes, after I've re-booted the heli several times to get the gyro centered, I'll slam the throttle/collective because I like to see it take off like a rocket. Last weekend for instance I was showing off for a buddy, did a full throttle climb out and it did a 1/4 piro to the left (that I did not plan for) at just the wrong angle for my skills. I happened to be too close to some trees and the next thing I knew I was out of control and slammin' some wood. Is there a secret to getting the tail to hold? With a BL main these suckers are really quick. If I am are descending when I hit the full throttle then the tail sometimes breaks loose, somtimes not. Is it the G-90 or just the nature of the beast?
04-29-2008 01:38 PM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Bob, I'm running a Telebee HH gyro on 100 percent gain on the gyro and on the stock Blade CP pro radio, the gain channel is set at about 2 o'clock with a GWS DD drive tail motor and a simple GWS ips 300 ESC. It holds great no matter what I do to it I really don't know why I am defending the Blade CP pro All I know is I personally love the lil beast Have ALOT of FUN flying it and its cheap to repair TO THE BLADE CP HATERS ---- Screw it ! I am done defending the P.O.S, I will continue to fly it and enjoy it to the fullest !The time I spend defending it is the time I could be flying So go out and buy a TREX and enjoy ! Heli-happiness is sure to follow !! What-ever. !
04-29-2008 09:33 PM
 
 
deafheliflyer
Veteran
Location: Arizona

hi

I got 250 flights on my main BCP motor and about 100 flights on my tail motor.. When tail motor starts drifting, then I know its time to put one on..

When the power climbouts started to weak out, I replaced main motor..


Havent crashed because of weak motors yet..


I learned FFF on the BCP and it is a nice bird for what it is.

Crash-Prone and overcoming it!!!
04-29-2008 09:35 PM
 
 
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